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NAA The Pug .22 Mag vs. NAA .22 Mag mini revolver

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by stinger 327, Apr 13, 2011.

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  1. stinger 327

    stinger 327 Member

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    Both of these mouse guns are from NAA. The Pug has a 1 inch short thick barrel and larger rubber grip.

    The other mini revolver has a 1 5/8 inch barrel with smaller wooden grips.

    Are these two guns going to be very similiar in shooting the .22 Mag or is the 1 5/8 going to have an edge over the Pug in .22 Mag?:confused:
     
  2. robhof

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    The difference between 1 5/8" and 1" is not enough to make any difference, the 22mag is most effective in rifle barrels, but are considerably hotter than 22Lr in even the short pistol barrel.
     
  3. stinger 327

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    So the Pug is mostly for cosmetics. Looks good but isn't going to be any better than the other standard .22 1 5/8 barrelMag Mini-Revolver NAA sells that costs less.
     
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    I think bullet velocity will be similar between them. I have the 1 1/8" 22 mag with boot grips in my pocket right now. The factory boot grip makes a huge difference in shootability at zero sacrifice to concealment.
     
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    By boot gun you mean the mini revolver with the small wooden grips which makes gun much more concealable and easier to carry.
     
  7. stinger 327

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    Interesting if I read the charts correctly on the NAA Mini-Master in .22 LR The Remington Yellow Jacket has the highest velocity faster than the CCI Stinger? Actually it is the fastest bullet of them all on this list?
    No mention of the fastest .22 LR Aguila 30 grain.
     
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    Boot grips are of different profile than the standard wood grips and are a little longer, making it easier to hold on to and aim.

    As far as the difference between the Pug and the .22 mag versions, the Pug has a different way of securing the cylinder pin, better grips, and a nice rear site.

    I think cylinder pin retaining mechanism is more secure, making it a safer gun. Still, an old Freedom Arms.22 mini has an even more secure way of retaining the cylinder pin. NAA should have copied the FA's design in this particular instance.
     
  9. stinger 327

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    The pin in my NAA Mini Mag is secure. It isn't like these newer models that twist on but I have shot it so many times and the pin stays in.
    I did have a problem with the Mini-Master with both .22LR and .22 Mag cylinders where with the first shot of the .22 Mag the pin started to come out. So NAA replaced the pin on it with a newer one.
    I have heard of Freedom Arms but they went out of business some time ago even when I did get the mini-revolver sometime in the early 1990's.
    Every demostration I have seen the Pug always misses so I figure I might was well just keep my .22 mini rev. Mag that has a smaller grip and cost alot less than the PUG. The Pug just looks a bit more intimidating. But if the Pug doesn't perform any better then a purchase of this item is just for cosmetics and to have another toy that isn't any better of what I already have. Then I say forget it.
     
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    I have the magnum Black Widow and love the little fart. It's amazingly accurate with CCI (very ammo picky) and shoots to POA. It shoots about 3.5" -4" groups at 25 yards off sandbags. That ain't shabby for a tiny little 10 ounce revolver! It's got REAL Novak sights which really helps over my other two 1 5/8" NAAs. The BW has a 2" barrel.
     
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    HUH? The F/A mini is out of production, but the company is alive and well making some of the finest single actions around.

    http://www.freedomarms.com/
     
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    The Pug has usable sights. I just dumped my 1 5/8" mag with an eye toward a Pug.
     
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    I took the grip for the Black Widow cause I liked the look of that grip better than what came with the Mini Master 4 inch.
     
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    I see no more mini revolvers from FA.
     
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    Cool -- a NAA thread! :cool:

    I purchased a Black Widow with .22 mag/.22LR cylinders a couple of months ago -- love the little guy! :)

    I took possession of an Earl with 3" barrel and .22 mag/.22LR cylinders early this week, but my local range is closed for maintenance. :( I'm itchin' to try this feller out. It handles nicely, and the post front sight seems clear and visible -- but the proof will be in the shooting. The designer (the late "Earl" -- the gun's namesake) did a pretty amazing job replicating an 1860 Remington cap & ball revolver around the basic NAA frame and shrinking the proportions down by a half or more.


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    Isn't this modeled after the old revolver? It should be accurate with 3 inch barrel?
     
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    Yup -- as noted, it's a pretty amazing miniature "reproduction" of an 1860 Remington cap and ball revolver. The "loading lever" is actually the brace that holds the cylinder pin in place.

    I sure hope it's accurate! :) I'll let y'all know when my local shooting range opens up again, after their maintenance. The Earl also comes in a 4" barrel configuration -- but I just thought the 3" version looked better and more balanced...


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    I thought I saw an ad for it in 4 inch in the NAA website. Keep us posted on how it performs.
     
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    I would say buy neither one!

    Wait for the top-break NAA Ranger to become more available!!!
    The $500 price will surely come down to more realistic street prices once the pipeline fills up.

    I think I even want one of those now!!
    Just too cool!!

    http://www.northamericanarms.com/breaktop_ranger.html

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    At the price, I'm not really hot for the top break. They do have the cool factor down, though. If they'd do a Black Widow version with the Novak sights, well, perhaps even at 500 bucks.....:D
     
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    I realize that's a limited edition but $500.00? You can get a real gun for that price.
     
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    I would still go for the 4 inch or a Mini Master. The standard sights on the Mini Master at least on mine are only adjustable for elevation.
     
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    You can't drift the mini master's sights for windage? The Black Widow's sights, front and back, are dovetailed. They can be drifted with a hammer and punch.

    The Mini Master was 360 bucks from the gun shop I was going to order one from. I really kinda wanted a 2" gun for pockets anyway and found a used Black Widow with folding grip installed (love those folding grips) for 260, so I got that. I've been impressed with it's accuracy, but I'm sure 2 more inches of sight radius couldn't hurt. :D Eventually I may stumble on a mini master, but figured I could (and do) carry the Black Widow when dress requires. That's not very often, but the added accuracy and the power of the .22 mag make it a bit more viable than my other two minis, 1 7/8" guns with standard "sights". They can be shot well enough, but not AS well as the Black Widow with it's better sight picture.
     
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    Mini Masters costs that much now? Well in anycase as far as sights go if you ever do have to use these minis you most likely will not end up using the sights but point shooting. These minis are great to carry/conceal. I't s a up close type weapon so barrel length won't make much difference neither but will make conceal/carry more difficult for it's intended purpose.
     
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    Hey RC -- I hate to disillusion you, but NAA decided not to go into full production on the Ranger. :( They made the determination that they just couldn't meet the production at a price point that made business sense to them. In fact, from what I understand, their first run of approximately 500 Rangers were actually selling at below cost. They just wanted to generate some buzz, and thought they could get the actual price down through refinements and improvements in production methods.

    I was totally bummed when I heard that -- I definitely had a spot picked out in my NAA stable for that breaktop!

    Here's the link to the sad news in case anyone is interested:

    http://www.naaminis.com/soapbox/sandy2011_03mar.html


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