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Discussion in 'Legal' started by taliv, Feb 7, 2006.

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  1. taliv

    taliv Moderator

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    (bold and underline mine)

    the Tuesday Morning Quarterback greg easterbrook slipped this into his column on the superbowl on nfl.com. His breakdown of the game was equally insightful, if somewhat less epic. (even a diehard steelers fan has to admit that one for the thumb isn't as important as the fall of civilization)


    seriously, can you even imagine Bush saying something like "that every valuable end of government is best answered by the enlightened confidence of the people:"?

    It's amazing how far we've come from George Washington to George Bush

    go Stillers!
     
  2. JohnBT

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    Ol' George wasn't on tv, he got to speak to the educated few. Now the second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking starts while the President is still speaking.

    John
     
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    taliv, why do you hate America? :banghead:
     
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    Taliv, why do you hate the Seahawks? :banghead:
     
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    How come every single time someone criticizes Bush or the Bush administration over here are they labeled as America-haters? Look, I voted for the guy--twice. I think he's in over his head along with the rest of our illustrious .gov. Just because one shows no allegiance to the President does NOT mean they show no allegiance to our country. It reads "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America" not "I pledge allegiance to the President/government of the United States of America." Got it? Good!

    The version I prefer--original and untouched.
    Greg
     
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    Different base of electors chose the different Georges.
     
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    Yet another reason why one should vote for anyone but a republican. Yawn.

    Go back to Democratic Underground.
     
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    I'd say it is the combined effect of popular mass media and our socialistic public education system.
    Essentially we are screwing ourselves over.
    People back then weren't afraid to go into oratoric sublimity. It was the mark of an enlightened soul in the "age of enlightenment". Something to strive for.
    The Industrial Revolution and the influx of new immigrants at the turn of the last century changed standards.
    Writing like Washington's would be found in an advanced students Post Doctoral work nowadays. Unfortunately.
    Funny thing is, Washington managed fine without a strong formal education by todays standards. Testament to the mans genius.
     
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    I think the downturn is far more recent that that. Compare 1950s TV and movies to today's vulgarities.
     
  10. GTSteve03

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    Because you can't criticize our leaders, that would be a sign of weakness which in turn would embolden the terrorists!

    Every time someone says something against our Administration it adds a new terrorist to the pot over there. Those Bush-hating Democrats in disguise are causing the deaths of our soldiers by directly providing comfort to our enemies!

    This is a war to protect our freedom and way of life and we should all be behind our leaders 100% because remember Bush's famous words: "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists."

    (I wish we had an American-flag waving smiley, it would fit here perfectly.)
     
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    [/ducks for cover]
     
  12. taliv

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    sorry for being dense here gtsteve, but i cna't figure out if that's sarcasm or not


    to get back to the topic (as opposed to random bush bashing (not that i'm opposed to that))...

    partially my reason for posting was this portion of the quote... do you think that the crux of the issue is that our government no longer immediately receives an impression from the community?

    is this a scalability issue? i.e. democracies work great under 20-40 million people, but inevitably turns into a nanny-state once you pass 100 million people?

    or is it simply an education issue?

    where too many of our 300MM citizens are nothing short of blithering idiots.
     
  13. middy

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    taliv,

    It's a bureaucracy issue. There are too many government offices and too many public servants, and by the time information gets filtered up through all the yes men and career bureaucrats it is warped beyond recognition. Is this a product of scaling? Perhaps. But I rather think it is a product of meddling. Of politicians catering to the voters who want laws to make their neighbors act the way they think they should act.

    It's also an aristocracy issue. Notice the family connections and upbringings of Bush and Kerry? This country has established its own aristocracy, and although we can mock them and we aren't required to bow and it's easier to join their ranks, they still have the money and the power.

    This all has nothing to do with Republican vs Democrat, they are both guilty as sin.

    And this says nothing about George Bush. I don't recall Clinton orating on the level of George Washington, either.
     
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    I don't know what this has to do with the NFL or sports in general at all.:uhoh: Why should I care what Greg Easterbrook thinks about politics? Next thing we know Chris Berman is going to be telling us to write our congressmen.
     
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    I can't even imagine him saying licentiousness.

    Seriously, that really shows how much we have changed. 200 years ago the politicians didn't even trust the government. Now even the citizens trust the government enough to vote for politicians who ignore the constitution.
     
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    Thanks TarpleyG! :D
    Ahh, the best sarcasm is the kind where you can't quite tell if it is or not... ;)







    (that was, BTW :evil: )
     
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    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken
     
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    "People back then weren't afraid to go into oratoric sublimity. "

    Nobody had a plane to catch or a phone call to make. And most of the common people couldn't read so speeches were the entertainment and longwinded speakers were highly prized.

    A lot of people even thought Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was way too short by a hour or more.

    John
     
  19. middy

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    New England males had about a 90% literacy rate by the time of the revolution.
     
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    WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.
    If he had, no one would have understood what he meant, and there would have been complaints that he didn't address the energy issues or say anything about the possibility of nuclear terrorism...

    The world has changed just a bit in the last 216 years. And with that change, the job of president has changed too.

    I am NOT saying things today are the way they should be, but viewing a presidential address from 2006 alongside one from 1790 as if you can do a straight up across the board comparison shows a focus problem, IMO.
     
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