JohnBT
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"Do you really want to put grandpa's army surplus 1911 up against a Glock in a shoot-'till-malfunction test?"
Are you paying for the ammo?
Are you paying for the ammo?
Name Brands...Are they worth $$$.
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Strykervet
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Well, a Mossberg is about the cheapest shotgun you can get. But go watch "Impossible Shots" and see what their demo shooter can do with a Walmart special. Amazing.
If you can do with a Benelli what he can do with a Mossberg pump, I'll need to see it to believe it.
If you can do with a Benelli what he can do with a Mossberg pump, I'll need to see it to believe it.
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There are some things, guns, tools, cars, even houses, that could be offered for me to take for FREE! No strings-attached, just FREE!
When I look at some of the junk that I could have for FREE, I want NOTHING to do with it, nothing at all! That house that would have been free may have cost me $500,000 to get some radioactive dump on the land cleaned up, not to mention a complete rehab on the house and all its systems is in order (not something that really happened, just an illustration for the purpose of this post).
Lately, there are supposed "quality" name-brand tools that look pretty, all shiny and new and they ride around in the back of pickup trucks. The guys selling this stuff are always from about five states away and always have some lame excuse that they have to get to the airport and these tools are left over from some transaction. You can have the compressor, the nail gun, the generator, the industrial vacuum all for just $700! I know, a relative bought the same junk from a guy. After I got looking real closely at it, I found it to be copied US tools that were actually made in China!
I stopped by the local small engine repair person and he had one of the quality generator engines all torn down. He showed me the valve head rocker arms, how they should be machined or cast steel, and instead, they were several layers of sheet metal that were stamped into what looks like a rocker arm! He told me, that, in itself showed him and the owner that the generator was not even worth his time and money to reassemble the thing!
Don't get me wrong, some people find great deals all the time and they live with all these machines working hard for them and the machines never let them down. Then there is me. Anything I buy, thinking I am saving big money turns out to be something that actually costs me much more money than I have into it, not including frustration, running to and fro' the range, not sleeping, etc!
I would rather spend more and feel safe than spend less and wonder just WHEN am I going to FEEL-SORRY!
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When I look at some of the junk that I could have for FREE, I want NOTHING to do with it, nothing at all! That house that would have been free may have cost me $500,000 to get some radioactive dump on the land cleaned up, not to mention a complete rehab on the house and all its systems is in order (not something that really happened, just an illustration for the purpose of this post).
Lately, there are supposed "quality" name-brand tools that look pretty, all shiny and new and they ride around in the back of pickup trucks. The guys selling this stuff are always from about five states away and always have some lame excuse that they have to get to the airport and these tools are left over from some transaction. You can have the compressor, the nail gun, the generator, the industrial vacuum all for just $700! I know, a relative bought the same junk from a guy. After I got looking real closely at it, I found it to be copied US tools that were actually made in China!
I stopped by the local small engine repair person and he had one of the quality generator engines all torn down. He showed me the valve head rocker arms, how they should be machined or cast steel, and instead, they were several layers of sheet metal that were stamped into what looks like a rocker arm! He told me, that, in itself showed him and the owner that the generator was not even worth his time and money to reassemble the thing!
Don't get me wrong, some people find great deals all the time and they live with all these machines working hard for them and the machines never let them down. Then there is me. Anything I buy, thinking I am saving big money turns out to be something that actually costs me much more money than I have into it, not including frustration, running to and fro' the range, not sleeping, etc!
I would rather spend more and feel safe than spend less and wonder just WHEN am I going to FEEL-SORRY!
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(haven't read through the thread yet, but) That old saying 'you get what you pay for' seems to apply more often than not. Also, good customer service in case of whatever, can be quite worth it. I <3 S&W's customer service!
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When you buy quality, you cry only once. When you buy crap, you cry over and over again.
I would like to thank everyone for your input. There is a lot of truth to what most say. I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for but regardless of price all things mechanical will and can break. The better quality stuff will last longer. I do beleive in paying for craftsmanship theres nothing better than a well fitted pistol or rifles that fits like a glove when you first try it. And by all means if your filthy reach like JohnBT is definitely buy whatever the hell you want. But for the novice shooter just getting started whose financial status will not allow you to purchase a top name brand there is nothing wrong with just getting gun or rifle that gets the job done without breaking your wallet.
I guess the point I was trying to make that it is not the gun that makes the man but the man that wields it. For example my younger brothers, 5 of them always have purchased custom made rifles from GAP, or Cooper rifles and they love to brag about them which is fine but it is embarrassing because because I still out shoot them with savage rifle which is factory. And when I use their rifles it saddens me that their lack of knowledge and incompetence will keep them from appreciating the full potential that these works of art are.
I guess the point I was trying to make that it is not the gun that makes the man but the man that wields it. For example my younger brothers, 5 of them always have purchased custom made rifles from GAP, or Cooper rifles and they love to brag about them which is fine but it is embarrassing because because I still out shoot them with savage rifle which is factory. And when I use their rifles it saddens me that their lack of knowledge and incompetence will keep them from appreciating the full potential that these works of art are.
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Embarrassing for whom? Sorry, but you sound like the elitist, not your brothers. By your logic, none of the Glock owners on this board deserve to own a Glock because Dave Sevigny can outshoot them.
No offense, buy you sound very envious.
mljdeckard
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I think that the law of diminishing returns comes in long before the vast majority of shooters are able to find the limits of their equipment.
I used to sell guitars. I saw a couple of different ways to look at gear. I would have people buy a $3k+ guitar because a celebrity played it or endorsed it, and they actually thought that playing an expensive guitar would make them play better. They thought that they could pay cash to make up for a lack of talent, experience, and practice. I'm on commission. If they want Zakk Wylde's guitar, who am I to deny it to them?
On the other hand, I would see beginners (or their parents) who would do careful research and buy good solid gear to start with, even if their ability was below the potential of the gear. If I asked them why, they usually had two good reasons. 1, they only wanted to buy it once. 2, they wanted to make sure that if there was a problem, they knew it was THEM, and not THE GEAR.
I used to sell guitars. I saw a couple of different ways to look at gear. I would have people buy a $3k+ guitar because a celebrity played it or endorsed it, and they actually thought that playing an expensive guitar would make them play better. They thought that they could pay cash to make up for a lack of talent, experience, and practice. I'm on commission. If they want Zakk Wylde's guitar, who am I to deny it to them?
On the other hand, I would see beginners (or their parents) who would do careful research and buy good solid gear to start with, even if their ability was below the potential of the gear. If I asked them why, they usually had two good reasons. 1, they only wanted to buy it once. 2, they wanted to make sure that if there was a problem, they knew it was THEM, and not THE GEAR.
scythefwd
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No, it's the one that doesn't get used. If a $2 chinesium socket is all I need to remove the wheels on my bicycle, there is NO point in spending $10 on a craftsman, or $20 on a mac or snap-on.
Using the right tool for the job comes into play here. Right now, the most expensive gun I own is not the least expensive (I don't own any of the poorer reputation stuff any more, but every one I did own was 100% reliable and I sold them to clear out space), but the one that has never been used. I have a 1911 that has never been shot. My cz goes to the range just about every time. Yes, it cost less than the 1911 from the get go, but it has also been problem free. If both guns end up being problem free, then the cz, though the least expensive thing in the safe will not be my most expensive "tool" because it does exactly what it was bought for.
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