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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SGT. SHLITZ, Oct 8, 2007.

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  1. SGT. SHLITZ

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    Last night on the Nancy Grace show they did a small segment on Home Invasions and how to protect yourself. They went on to say that H.I.s are on the rise and homeowners should invest in dead-bolt locks, window bars, and motion detection lights. NOT ONE MENTION OF FIREARMS OR ANY OTHER WEAPON WHATSOEVER! I guess we are just outta luck if the locks and lights are defeated. I guess I am to take comfort that Nancy will do a piece on my girlfriend and I if we are murdered by a POS. :cuss:
     
  2. ClickClickD'oh

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    You know, the one thing I never see brought up by the people that suggest fortifying your house? Consider:

    Making your house into an unbreachable fortress of virtual security, besides being annoying to live in, only has one real effect on crime. It causes the criminal to go next door to the less fortified house. Is this crime fighting the New American Way? Hope your neighbor keeps raped, robbed and murdered instead of you?
     
  3. Dorryn

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    Having secure locks on windows and doors is still wise, however.

    If we look at the logic in reverse, we should leave our doors open to criminals, given that we have the firearms to protect ourselves, and (presumably) our neighbors do not. Yes?
     
  4. SGT. SHLITZ

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    I guess so, ClickClick. Pass the buck instead of the ammo.
     
  5. SGT. SHLITZ

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    Heh, heh.
    I never looked at it like that, Dorryn.
     
  6. 230RN
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    There have been a bunch of prearation-for-disaster items which have been panned by the gun community of late for neglecting to mention one of the most important tools for survival --i.e., firearms.

    There was a thread recently here on THR which mentioned the recent article in Mechanics Illustrated*, for example. No mention of those hard steel thingies that go bangie and clanky.

    I also found that the Colorado Prepared literature, which is an offshoot of the National preparedness brochures do not mentione firearms.

    Sooo... if an extreme disaster strikes, make sure you have enough guns and ammo to go around in your neighborhood. :)

    Their philsophy seems to be "Be Prepared," but not too much. Just make sure you've got beans and TP is all.

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    * Or maybe it was Popular Mechanics. Don't remember, don't mattter anyhow.
     
  7. Ala Dan

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    Its That Time Of The Year Folk's

    Yeah, Nancy dis-Grace is something else; very much opinionated and has
    loose lips, expressing her view only. I'm quite sure she doesn't live in 'da
    hood; but rather in the 'burbs that are well protected. And as we know,
    the closer it gets to the Christmas season; the more home invasions will
    be on the increase. Hell NO, I ain't fix'in to trade my firearms for dead
    bolt locks, security doors, and proper lighting~! :eek:;)
     
  8. jefnvk

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    Think of it this way:

    1) The house already has a gun. No reason to talk about it.
    2) The house probably has a reason for not ownign a gun. Talkign about it probably isn't going to change their mind.

    I don't think that there are a lot of people out there that have never considered a gun for defense. It is good that they are showing tips for those that won't own a firearm, as stupid as some on these boards think they are, they don't deserve to be hurt. There are just some people that aren't going to own a gun for defense.
     
  9. Blackbeard

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    I think the reason no one says to get a firearm for self-defense is that they don't want the potential liability. If someone gets killed while using a firearm in self-defense, their family could claim that the advice to defend himself got the victim killed. Of course, the argument is BS and probably wouldn't hold up in court, but who needs that aggravation? It's safer to advise people not to resist, I'm sad to say.
     
  10. Dave Markowitz

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    :rolleyes:

    So I shouldn't take reasonable steps to secure my home? Taking your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, I'd leave the front door wide open.
     
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    Maybe Nancy Grace lives in a really nice neighborhood?
     
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    Stranger, less rational cases have been won, so I fixed it for you.
     
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    You don't have kids do you?
     
  14. Highland Ranger

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    Locks are good.

    Get a big dog.

    Make sure everyone in the house is dangerous i.e. can shoot and otherwise defend themselves.
     
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    That doesn't even make sense - I have no idea what my neighbors do for security nor do I wish them harm. Smart people take steps to ward off criminals and if they have to, to defend themselves. To leave your house undefended to save your neighbors would be the height of ignorance.
     
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    I have a deadbolt. I have motion lights. I used to have a dog. I wouldn't mind having an alarm. Those are all good things. They deter the less determined. They also make silent entry rather difficult. In other words, they help make sure I know someone's coming. I'll rely on my XD-40 after that.
     
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    Guns don't do a whit of good if you don't have the chance to use them. Defense starts at the door. There have been enough cases of complete surprise attacks I feel it's important to think of physical security. One THR member was the victim of an appalling home invasion that probably couldn't have been stopped once it started.
     
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    I am relatively certain that Ms. Grace"less" lives in a secured building, with security personnel and cameras, etc. Reality is, she probably doesn't even know the brand name of the locks on her own door. Her hollow words merely give comfort to other equally ignorant people, people who misbelieve that the police arrive 2 seconds after calling, and that criminals fear alarms. Fact is, even the most elaborate security systems can be circumvented. In those instances, a 1.25 Oz slug of hard, hot lead traveling at 1,600 FPS will force a reconsideration of their intent to invade your space.

    Just my redneck opinion,

    Doc2005
     
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    Well, it isn't an either/or.... :neener: We have all of the above, although the lighting isn't on a motion sensor (yet).

    :what::what::what: That last sentence is reprehensible. Protecting myself and my family has nothing to do with hoping my neighbor is a victim of crime. It is, however, THEIR responsibility to make their homes safe, as it is OUR responsibility to make ours safe. The idea that we shouldn't take precautions because the thief may go next door is just nutty.

    Springmom
     
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    SGT. SHLITZ said;
    Without good locks on your doors and windows, and motion detector lights and an early warning device to wake you up, the bad guys are going to be in your house pointing your GAU-17 mini gun at your head when they wake you you up. Firearms and other weapons are only a very tiny part of the solution.

    When it comes right down to it, the guy who has good locks on his doors and windows, motion detector lights, an alarm system and/or dog, but wouldn't have a firearm within 100 meters of his home, is safer in his bed at night then the guy with the cocked and locked 1911 under his pillow and the ultimate street sweeping shotgun next to his bed, who has cheap pre-hung doors with bolts that go all of 3/4 inch into the jamb and windows that don't lock because they are 40 years old and have never been updated.

    ClickClickD'oh said;

    First off, unless you took an oath to enforce the law, routinely wear blue tights and a cape and work for a major metropolitan newspaper, crime fighting is not your job. It's not your job to look after society as whole. It's your job to look after you and yours. No one else.

    I'd like some clarification of what you mean by the last line in your statement. What do you think the American way is? Do you intend to decoy the bad guys into your carefully planned L shaped ambush to save your less prepared neighbors?

    Jeff
     
  21. Kentak

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    I know you didn't mean to sound dumb, but think about what you're saying. The logical equivalent of your statement is to say we should leave our doors and windows unlocked and post a sign to that effect. All so we'll be victimized instead of our neighbors.

    K
     
  22. SGT. SHLITZ

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    I think Markowitz meant, was that the average person doesn't take home defense seriously as long as it's happening to the other guy.

    Of coarse I have all the locks, lights, bang and whistles. However, if those were to fail me, the POS will experience lead-in the head syndrome.
     
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    While, locks, lights, good physical security in general is all good, I'm surprised that there has been no mention of bad guys gaining entry thru subterfuge (e.g. fake pizza delivery, someone 'looking for directions', want to use the phone, etc) rather than physical force. Trickery can overcome physical security, there's no substitute for good old paranoia and situational awareness when answering the door (with a .45 in your back pocket).
     
  24. Macpherson

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    I may be way off base but it seems that many have misintepreted this statement. I understand Click to be saying that fortifying your house doesn't offer any sort of deterrence to the criminal element, whereas a firearm will. Also, it seems that a lot of the attitudes here are falling right in line with the point of what he was saying, that is, "I dont care about anyone but me and mine". If an intruder broke in and (heaven forbid) took your gun or overpowered you and began brutalizing your family, would you prefer your neighbor to look the other way? This doesn't mean setting ambushes, but it sure as heck means looking out for each other, and being willing to help.
     
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    I think CCD is suggesting somewhat of a Modest Proposal. Pointing out a fallacy by bringing it to its extreme.

    Hiding out from crime with ever-increasing levels of security will not stop criminals. Lethal force stops criminals, and I think we all agree here that force in the hands of non-criminals is a good thing. The more the better.

    I'm guessing Ms. Grace (and most politicians) couldn't care less whether we all protect our families or not. If they did, they would expend their media efforts on a modern equivalent of "quartering and gibbeting" these criminal idiots when they are caught.
     
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