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National FOID?, gun law idea

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ewlyon, Jan 13, 2013.

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  1. KTXdm9

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    Well said. How's the FOID card doing on preventing crime in Chicago? Yeah, not so much.
     
  2. 22-rimfire

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    I feel sure Joe Biden would agree with you.
     
  3. blarby

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    How bout we create two nations instead :

    One for everyone who wants more gun laws, and one that doesn't.

    Oh wait, someone tried that once......... there was some other issue at hand........ lemme think..........

    Oh, NM.

    NAh, I'll pass on any "cards". My wallet has too many gubment cards that cost me money that I "have" to have, and not enough cash.
     
  4. MachIVshooter

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    There is absolutely no evidence to support this claim.
     
  5. browneu

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    I thought he was a troll but then realized he's serious.

    My answer no.

    Out of all the bad ideas suggesting a waiting period is the worst. What purpose will that serve? You're tellinge I have to wait to pick up my property after I prove my ability to own said property through a background check?

    Again I say no.

    Why don't we suggest policies that will address crime.

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  6. JohnM

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    I must have missed that one! Yeah, I'd really like to see some proof of that.
     
  7. Nicky Santoro

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    NO!
    I live in the septic tank with zip codes known as New Jersey. We have that stupidity here. No reason to advocate spreading a cancer.
     
  8. Buck Kramer

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    Why? What makes you think we need more of a bureaucracy than the crap show we already have.
     
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    I'm sick of our "leaders" trying to impose federal solutions to what is at its essence a local problem. Bloomberg's Manhattan is a perfect example of one of our "leaders" in a position of power who thinks that his crime-ridden cesspool of a city is somehow a microcosm of the entire USA.
     
  10. ewlyon

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    Whoa, 3 pages in 9 hours. Take it easy everybody, i understand that the consensus is NO.
    But i want to address the point that this law would not solve crime. I did not think of this system with the intent to stop crime or even put a dent in it, because I think it is fundamentally ridiculous to think any gun law relating to transfer and ownership rules would decrease crime in a significant manner.
    In addition, I believe many have misunderstood my proposal. This system would not require any license to own or purchase guns either privately or from a dealer. It would simply add some steps to the process to make sure people who purchase guns do so with the full weight of the responsibility of their decision, hopefully weeding out people who purchase a gun flippantly.
    This is not a national application of the FOID law, this is the idea of a nationally recognized Firearms Card showing that the person holding it has been checked out and does not face the ownership hurdles.
    But thank you for your replies and it is good to see such resounding consensus against waiting periods and federal control.
     
  11. Fishslayer

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    How about a special ID to freely voice your opinions?

    How about a special ID so you don't have to consent to warrantless searches?

    I could go on.
     
  12. MistWolf

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    National FOID?? Are you stupid???

    How about a national ID card required before somebody can buy a computer and goes on the internet. They might post or obtain dangerous information. They might make disparaging remarks about POTUS. They might use it to obtain and distribute kiddie porn. They might play video games that promotes violence.

    How about a national ID card before being allowed to join a religion? They might seek out a religion that promises you a place in heaven with virgins for making suicide attacks. It might be a religion that speaks out against abortions on demand, gay marriages and supports moral behavior. They might want to join a religion that disrupts the funerals of soldiers, marines, sailors and airman that died in the defense of our country.

    How about requiring a national ID card before being allowed to exercise any of our liberties, rights and freedoms? History teaches us their abuse can lead to death, pain a destruction. How about an ID card proving a person's innocent intentions? We must stop all crimes before they are committed and until people prove they will not commit crimes, they must be kept under surveillance and presumed to be threat to security.

    Is that what you want?
     
  13. stonecutter2

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    No, I never said the SCOTUS can't be wrong. So calm down. I am however saying there ARE limitations to "shall not be infringed." You cannot buy a nuclear weapon or attack drone. And private citizens shouldnt be able to, in my opinion.
     
  14. jimmyraythomason

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    Avenger29 answered the question in post #3. Nothing more needs be said.
     
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    Maybe we could require Cowboy fans to wear items identifying themselves as hopelessly optimistic. No wait, that is already done voluntarily. No concessions on the 2nd amendment!!
     
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    So what if someone wants to buy a firearm for flippant reasons....it's nobody's business but theirs, and it's their Constitutional Right.

    This "weight of the responsibility" talk is just a load of BS.
    I'm not about to let some bureaucrat determine if I should or shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm based upon whether or not he thinks I'm being "flippant".


    The federal government should not be "checking out" any U.S. citizen unless the federal government has reason, and evidence, to suspect that citizen of committing a federal crime.

    When it comes to firearms, there should be no ownership hurdles.
     
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    Still NO!
     
  18. easyg

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    Why not?

    I would trust my neighbor with a drone more than I trust the CIA with drones.
    Our government has assassinated U.S. citizens with drones and with no trial, no legal council, and no jury of peers.

    And our government has lost nuclear weapons before.
     
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    Proof of this?
     
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    Both the US losing nuclear weapons and the drone assassination of US citizens are both well documented.

    I'm not in a spoon feeding mood, but google always is.
     
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    No rights are unlimited. Fundamental rights recieve the highest level of protection and the strictest tests to any laws that may infringe upon them.
    The argument that all gun laws are unconstitutional is just as wrong as the other side claiming that all guns can be banned. Neither is true. There is lots of grey and room for reasonable people to disagree. As long as we still can keep and bear arms (not hunting or sport), there can be many laws/restrictions. Laws that make that impossible are clearly illegal. Everything inbetween is grey.

    Fundamental Right
    " Fundamental rights are a group of rights that have been recognized by the Supreme Court as requiring a high degree of protection from government encroachment. These rights are specifically identified in the Constitution (especially in the Bill of Rights), or have been found under Due Process. Laws limiting these rights generally must pass strict scrutiny to be upheld as constitutional. Examples of fundamental rights not specifically listed in the Constitution include the right to marry and the right to privacy, which includes a right to contraception and the right to interstate travel.
    Definition from Nolo’s Plain-English Law Dictionary"

    Strict scrutiny
    "A legal standard to determine the constitutionality of a statute, used when the statute implicates a fundamental right or relates to a suspect classification under the equal protection clause (such as race). To determine if a statute passes the test, a court considers whether the government has a compelling interest in creating the law, whether the statute is "narrowly tailored" to meet the government's objectives, and whether there are less restrictive means of accomplishing the same thing. (See also: rational basis)

    Definition provided by Nolo’s Plain-English Law Dictionary.
     
  23. Gaffer

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    It is not a gun law issue. No matter what laws are conceived and passed. The fact is that our nation is now a very sick society. Nearly half are on the dole and more are joining every day. We have lost our moral compass and there is no limits or boundaries any longer. No wonder those with mental problems try to take out their anger the way they do. Every gun could be confiscated and very little would change as evil permeates our way of life. We rationalize away so much as its OK because everyone else does it, but that does not make it right.
    Just look at who we elect time after time and what has been the outcome? We are so far in debt that no one has any idea what that amount of money is. Are you serious? We have seen the evil around us and just ignored it as someone else's problem. Well Harriet its all coming home to roost now and you are not going to like the future one bit. As PoGo said, "we have met the enemy and it is us!"
     
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    No way. That would only give the antis the ability to randomly enforce the registrations/applications.
    The government agencies which we have are severely over-bloated, already have the power to make random & arbitrary decisions over careers, and they often do so, in order to justify their existence.

    Gun issues are ONLY about Government Control and its craving for more power/votes.
    Our many gun laws do nothing to remove the vast quantities of guns in the hands of criminals at large, and will never prevent use by desperate animals who want only what other people earned, or to kidnap their children etc.

    Notice (wherever it can be found) the flow chart used to try to decide whether a given semi-auto rifle can be sold in California.
    It looks like a systems schematic of AC, DC electrical buses with battery back-up, but such gun feature charts are not very clear.
    When in other states an SKS rifle was imported into the US with its bayonet, under some ATF rules the bayonet should not be removed, or added to a Different SKS?
    This is sheer madness, and only a tiny example, among many. It Is Only About Control, and appeasing the mass publics' misunderstandings about crime and self-defense.
     
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  25. easyg

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    I disagree.

    I think that if all guns were confiscated things would get much much worse.
    The predators among us would prey upon the weak in our society even more than they already do.
     
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