Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CoRoMo, Sep 5, 2017.
Here's a copy of the signed order: http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/NATL-GUARD.pdf
I fail to understand why the National Guard of the Virgin Islands would have a practical need for whatever miscellaneous weapons and ammunition the citizens would be holding. Isn't the National Guard there already armed? It looks to me as though the opportunity for abuse of the intent of the emergency declaration and the right to seizure included thereof is wide open. Very troubling --- "This is for your own protection , sir..." .
I find this very troubling.
Ok, maybe not so odd after all but who elects these people? I think they should grab any other stuff they want too while they are there, maybe just kick people out of their homes so the National Guard folks have a place to stay while they are at it. Would cut down on search times to just evict everyone.
Kenneth Mapp has roots in New York City? Used to be a Republican before 2001 then became Independent after that?
If this is a legitimate news story, this looks like a gun grab.
I haven't found anything on the NRA website or elsewhere to show his stance or voting record on guns.
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Not sure how it would be accomplished but they can try.
Here's a copy of the Virgin Island's gun laws from the ATF website. There appear to be some significant differences between the V.I. statutes and the Federal Government's laws.
But at the same time, it COULD happen here in any state. There are systems in place where the government could issue a similar order.
Can you imagine if they told the people in Texas they had to give up all their guns and ammo? I doubt they would even have the secure storage facilities necessary.
The order is pretty vague, "and any other property that may be required"..... can mean any and all things.
What happened to Article IV, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..."?
First, you're citing the 4th Amendment, not Article IV of the Constitution.
Second, it doesn't apply.
The United States Virgin Islands are an organized, unincorporated territory of the United States.
As an "unincorporated" territory, the United States Constitution does not fully apply any more than it would apply to some living in Papua New Guinea or Ethiopia.
The Virgin Islands are "organized" based on a act passed by Congress providing for a three-branch government that sort of mirrors our own (but with only one legislative assembly) and a "Bill of Rights" that does not include a direct equivalent to our Second Amendment. This organizing act functions as the Virgin Islands Constitution until they come up with one of their own.
The organizing act provides for the Virgin Islands to hold a Constitutional Convention to draft a Constitution (that must be ratified by the Islanders and approved by Congress) but after 60+ years, the Virgin Islanders have still not come up with a document their people will ratify and Congress will approve.
When (If) a Constitution is ever approved it will become the governing law in the Virgin Islands and they will be governed by the Virgin Islands Constitution, not the United States Constitution.
If you will look at the link in post #8 regarding the gun laws in the Virgin Islands, you will see that all guns must be registered and you have to have a license to purchase a gun.
Texas is part of the United States and so the U.S. Constitution applies here.
The U.S. Virgin Islands is an unincorporated territory and the U.S. Constitution doesn't apply there unless some part of the 1954 act organizing the territory says it does. The organizing act does not include a direct equivalent to the Second Amendment so the rules are different down there.
I liken it to clickbait.
It sounds to as though gun ownership in V.I. is a privilege , not a right. Privileges can be revoked.
If an individual's guns are seized in the Virgin Islands - in the interest of conducting the mission given to the National Guard , and that individual is beset by looters , is he to shout "The government might give me my guns back someday , so you better get off my property if you know what's good for you!!!" ?
In AZ the law has been changed post Katrina to forbid doing any type of confiscation of private property - the only allowable thing is to move large stores of ammunition ahead of fires and such.
And here is a perfect example of how registration can and will lead to confiscation at some point in time, when "they" deem it necessary.
The NRA has condemned it...
The provisions of the Fifth Amendment have been applied to the states through the Incorporation Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment.
How might that be relevant here?
Pirates love rum, yo ho ho, but has anyone considered where rum was invented and is produced?
officially take possession or control of (something), especially for military purposes.
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take possession of (something) without authority.
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enlist (someone) to help in a task, typically against the person's will.
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