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National ID Card

Discussion in 'Legal' started by xd45gaper, Feb 4, 2007.

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  1. xd45gaper

    xd45gaper Member

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070204/ap_on_re_us/real_id

    what do you guys think about this? The laws supporters argWASHINGTON - A revolt against a national driver's license, begun in Maine last month, is quickly spreading to other states.

    i can see the Federal Goverment saying comply or no federal assistance $$
     
  2. limbaughfan

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    im glad to see the states are doing something about it
     
  3. Autolycus

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    Well the states could just tell the government that the citizens of their state will not be paying any federal taxes.:evil:
     
  4. WildeKurt

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    If the states drivers license doesn't meet up to federal muster, holders will not be able to use it for identification where required by the feds, airports for example. Those people will probably be required to use a passport to fly inside this countries borders. Interesting really.
     
  5. xd45gaper

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    i find it a little ludacris that you would have to have one. I dont see how it will keep terrorists and illegale immigrants from obtaining one? if they want one bad enough they will get one.

    isnt this the land of the free why do i need a national identification card (which is basically what it is anyways but drivers license sounds better) to enter federal buildings that are paid for by my taxes or board an airplane that i purchase a ticket for...

    this to keep terroists at bay **** is getting a little far fetched.
     
  6. ctdonath

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    4th Amendment violation, pure and simple.

    If it were merely a biometric link between physical being and a name, fine (maybe, I'm not even sure about that).

    Unfortunately, it links so much unrelated information together that it really does create a "security of one's papers" issue. If I'm showing ID to get on a plane, whoever's looking at it doesn't need to know my federal retirement plan number, whether I need glasses to drive, or a host of other private tidbits that are either immediately available via the ID or a short data request away.

    IDs should be limited to the narrow purpose for which they were issued.

    And they don't do squat for national security. They're too easy to get, copy, or avoid. The 9/11 hijackers had a bunch of absolutely legal IDs. I've watched multiple people use the very same ID card within seconds of each other. Forgeries, duplicates are not particularly difficult. They depend entirely on cooperation; if the person checking doesn't follow thru, the ID doesn't work. Identity theft can produce perfectly legit paperwork. And should the whole ID system be used perfectly without flaw, the perp just does something else (like shoot down the plane instead of fly it into the ground).

    It's not about securing YOU. It's about securing bureaucracies.

    Good for Maine telling the feds to stuff it.
     
  7. TallPine

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    Will be interesting ... how are they going to get jurors for federal trials in Montana if they won't let people in the courthouse :confused:

    Heck, I don't want to fly or go into federal buildings anyway :p Although I think I got permanently banned from federal jury duty :D
     
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    "Molon Labe" coming to life. :D
     
  9. Zedicus

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    Looks to me as if the general Population have begun to wake up and smell the coffee, and are starting to say.

    "Hey! Enough of this Bull!"

    Least I hope that is what is happening.
     
  10. SoCalShooter

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    That's for me to know and not you!
    The states that remember what states rights and states powers are seem to be doing the correct thing by blocking the .gov on this. My state however has complied like good little brown shirts. I do not think this country needs national ID's we've been around for 200+ years without them and its a real infraction on freedom and liberty to me. Why you ask? Because the .gov does not need to know more than my tax info and thats it.
     
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    What about buying guns and filling out the fed paperwork? Will you be able to buy without the Real ID?
     
  12. Zedicus

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    If RealID is allowed to go ahead, you wont be able to buy "Anything" without it.
    Same with the British Equivalent.
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    If that happens I say we all take over canada, kick out the canadians that dont want us and create a new country.
     
  14. Thin Black Line

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    This is true. Kind of ironic that we're getting to the point of internal travel
    documents in this country. This is the kind of thing we were warned
    about as kids that only the big bad soviet boogeymen did in their
    country.

    BTW, you will also need that passport if you plan on visiting Canada or Mexico
    by car next year. That's right, even your federal compliant RFID/biometric
    state drivers license will not be enough in 2008 to get you back inside.

    What was that I just heard?.....An iron curtain being slowly pulled across the
    land?......What comes after that? Some more gun control laws? Nah! Can't
    happen here!
     
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    Perhaps a helpful template

    I encourage you to contact your own legislators on the topic. Here is something I sent to my state congressman and senator:

     
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    The REAL ID cards are terrible ideas brought to us by everyones favourite nutjob James Sensenbrenner.

    I have yet to understand why they need people's religion on it, employment, blood type and a bunch of other information. You might as well get people to sew stars of davids and pink triangles on their clothing the way its done. Then the people who keep the records and do the checks is a private company who could easily go out and sell everyones information to the highest bidder.

    Of course it also includes a chip with all your information on that can be accessed by anyone with a reader from a fair distance away. There goes all your information right there.

    [​IMG]

    Thats what they look like.

    http://www.unrealid.com/ is an interesting site about the card.
     
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    Well, it's incredibly boring, but at http://www.nga.org/Files/pdf/0609REALID.pdf they estimate it'll cost the States Eleven Billion Dollars for the first five years. And for eleven billion dollars one could buy one hell of a lot of magic beans instead, actually so many magic beans that you're bound to get a combination of magic beans that will make all problems disappear.
     
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    It would be nice if any of these gov schemes actually worked, but the plain fact is that very few ever have, at least in the way they claimed was intended.

    I have no doubt that it will be an inconvenience to every one to comply, and an inconvenience to terrorists to get around it.

    Time for a revolt at the ballot box.
     
  21. Thin Black Line

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    Pffft! What's $11 bill when we're paying $750 bill for something else we were
    told would only cost $100 bill. Hey, it's only money, it's for a good cause,
    and the gov't can just print more of it. :p
     
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    Is the numbers 666 anywhere on the card?? or are they in code?? sounds like the mark of the beast, might want to read the last book of the bible.
     
  23. cap811

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    Hitler and Stalin used them and look how well it went for them.:cuss:
     
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    Well, *IF* this goes thru.. [ and i hope not, but afraid it probably will ], we should AT LEAST be pushing for the yang to this ying: the Real ID includes reciprocity for CWP, in ALL states, and in ALL cities. That's right, including NYC/Chicago/etc.

    Now, my own personal ID is already in all the government computers, due to employment and security clearances. And in reality, they would not be pushing this if certain states were not giving photo ID's to criminal immigrants. :-/
     
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    If they can make a national ID card then the Feds can make a national LTC .
    I believe Ma has said the same as Me or is going to in the near future.
     
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