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National Victory, Defeated States

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MagnumDweeb, Feb 13, 2013.

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  1. blkbrd666

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    e-x-a-c-t-l-y!!!
     
  2. Cesiumsponge

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    Plenty of self-professed pro-RKBA guys are anti-RKBA if you give them the right incentive to throw fellow gunowners under the bus. Try starting a discussion about opening up the NFA machine gun registry again and watch as hordes of NFA collectors come out of the woodwork who would oppose a bill that would grant more freedom to gun owners because it affects the "value" of their collection. Apparently they're entitled to the value of their NFA items like homeowners are entitled to the value of their home.

    To paint using such broad brush strokes of "all gun owners can be united" or "all liberals hate guns" are massively naive and misplaced. The American population isn't defined as "A" or "B". It's A-Z. Look at Pew or Rasmussen polls over decades. A third of Republicans are pro-choice and a third of Democrats are pro-life. There aren't well-defined borders people like to paint so they can point out "here is my tribe" and "there are the others". That only exists in the handcrafted worldviews people adopt for themselves so they can feel comfy. Illegals from south of the border are the new foreign menace to point at. We like to blame them for the same things we blamed the Chinese, the Japanese, the Italians, and the Irish for. Fact of the matter is many folks from central and South American countries are very conservative folks with Catholic backgrounds.

    Instead of trying to alienate people, folks should be finding ways to bring "outsiders" into the fold to strengthen efforts against passing new gun control legislation.
     
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  3. pacerdude

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    I agree with MagnumDweeb in post 19 100%. And as others have said, we can't be lulled in to a false sense of security on this issue, I recently got a poll from my Congressman Bob Woodall, asking how I felt about the 2A with a multiple choice survey.

    So far I have received response on the issue from every politician I wrote except for the Lt. Governor and the President/Veep.
     
  4. Bhi curamach

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    Sorry, I'm not Texan (I'm not apologizing for that, more for any incorrect thoughts that follow) but I thought that Texas agreed to join the US as long as they retained the ability to reverse that decision at any time. They would then revert back to six seperate territories. Hence the whole six flags over Texas thing.
    Am I wrong?
     
  5. Texan Scott

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    Yes and no... Texas retained its right to secede when it joined. It then seceded in the Civil War and was subsequently told that NO state may secede. The Union's right to assert this was not demonstrated Constitutionally, but at gunpoint.

    The six flags actually refer to the flags of six sovereign nations that have flown over Texas soil: Spain, France, Mexico, the Republic of Texas, the Confederacy, and the U.S., and have nothing to do with dividing into smaller territories.
     
  6. Texshooter

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    Must

    fight

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    +1. The issue of secession was settled back in 1865, though it is now rearing its head as what is probably best considered a mix of regional and class warfare is at a high simmer in this country. While the left rushed to rub Obama down with sacred oil and annoint him the new Lincoln after Lincoln hit theaters, it's an interesting question of whether he has the spine to actually pull a Lincoln in the face of secession.

    And it's an interesting question whether he'd have the ability to do so. The military is politically conservative, over-represented by rural Southerners, and probably what would fairly be described as "politically unreliable" for the current regime. Trying to send in the troops to reclaim a break away state might trigger regime change in Washington instead, or some other less than optimal outcome. Or it might not . . . but that uncertainty has to weigh on Barry-O & Co. when they see secession bandied about and nullification bills introduced into state legislatures.
     
  8. Onward Allusion

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    It's the <blank> stupid!

    Everyone need to write their Republican reps in the House and tell them to move forward on the ECONOMY, even if it means compromise and spending ourselves out of this depression.

    Yes, it would be RKBA related, because if the economy continues down this path the anti's will take control of both Houses. When almost 80% of the people disapproves of Congress, I guarantee that the people will want a change in 2014, and that's exactly what the current administration is hoping for. Imagine every anti-2nd Amendment Bill getting rubber-stamped by both Houses and signed into law.
     
  9. 788Ham

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    Its truly sad about Colorado being so blindfolded in their thinking. The Gov. hasn't said a word about any of this, until the past 2 days, now he's gung-ho and leading the cavalry. This state used to be one of the leaders in gun sports, hunting, shooting sports, but since this business owner's taken over, he's ruined things royally! Truly a sad state of affairs. :uhoh:
     
  10. greenmtnguy

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    It ain't over til the fat lady sings - as they say..

    Feinstein and her cohorts haven't given up, and they've inspired the socialist minded megalomaniacs like Cuomo, Bloomberg, Rahm E, and Christie to throw their weight behind the severe state governmental unconstitutional overreach that we are seeing.

    Don't give up the ship. Don't slack off. All it may take is another sick wacko incident to push the momentum of the ignorant forward again.
     
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    States are really lining up into free and slave states.

    Not just in terms of gun rights, I was checking out tax rates today as well.

    I respect those of you staying behind the curtain and "fighting the good fight" but there is also a point when you've ran your race.

    As more like minded people (whatever those beliefs may be) gather together, they will express their collective beliefs increasingly. Failed states like California and Illinois vs booming states like Texas, many deep south and plains and mountain states.
     
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    I disagree. We lost the courts back during the New Deal (if not earlier). The only real hope is to educate enough people about freedom to make a difference from the bottom up. So long as the people remain ignorant the politicians and judges they appoint will do whatever they like.



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  13. nazshooter

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    Fundimentally gun rights are about the balance of power between the state and the individual. If you have more confidence in the state to be wise and moral than the average individual then all of the central planning that socialists support makes sense and of course the state should have a monopoly on force. If, on the other hand, you belive that power corrupts then you want the state to do as little as possible and giving them a monopoly on force is very dangerous.

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  14. coloradokevin

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    I've been predicting that the real fight this year would come at the state level, and that's definitely the case for me. As the discussion periods in the state House Judiciary Committee demonstrated over the past couple of days, support for gun rights is still very strong in this state. Unfortunately the Democrats are running things in Colorado right now, and don't seem the least bit concerned about the will of the people.

    For my state it is pretty evident that the large influx of new coastal-born residents has played a role in this culture shift. But I'd also put forth an argument that far too many gun owners have ignored this issue at the polls in the past few years, and elected anti-gun politicians with the feeling that "they won't dare touch our gun rights". Well, they're not just touching them now, they're kicking them.

    I'm just hoping we can stave off some of the damage until mid-term elections, and hopefully replace a lot of these Democrats at that time.

    I know a lot of gun owners around here have said that "this isn't about party affiliation", but the votes we've had here in Colorado for the past few days illustrate how it is PRECISELY a party-line issue.
     
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    This.

    Remember folks, congress.org has a link on the right side of the page to contact all your reps at once on the federal and State level.

    Contact your state reps and do it every few days, tell your family and friends to do the same. Make sure our voices are heard. We can do this but we can't back down now. Writing a few e-mails or picking up the phone is much easier than what may come if Americans are told they no longer have their Rights to be free.

    Also, most if not all states have at least one pro-gun organization that's fighting for your Rights, get involved, at the very least donate what you can.
     
  17. Vector

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    Exactly right.

    A common negotiation ploy is to ask for the moon knowing you can never get it.
    So once you grudgingly negotiate for a long period of time, you are hopefully left with the one or two things you really wanted. If the other side refuses to give an-inch on anything, then they are painted as intractable and the cause of the failure.

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