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Nationwide CCW law HR 882

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by newbuckeye, Mar 16, 2014.

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  1. newbuckeye

    newbuckeye Member

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    I've been hearing about this bill that just passed the House and I'm kinda torn. I think national reciprocity would be a good thing, but what about state sovereignty? If you notice the groups for it is rather short (The NRA and Buckeye firearms) but the list opposed is the normal anti gun groups with one surprise at the end.

    Brady Campaign
    Mayors Against Illegal Guns
    National Association for Gun Rights
    League of Women Voters of Connecticut
    Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
    American Bar Association
    Police Foundation
    Association of Prosecuting Attorneys
    National Network to End Domestic Violence
    International Association of Chiefs of Police
    Major Cities Chiefs Association
    Gun Owners of America

    Links....
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/hr822-112/bill_positions

    Thoughts?
     
  2. rockhopper46038

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    I would prefer Constitutional carry.
     
  3. RoughshodBronco

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    Constitutional carry would be the preferred thing, but realistically I just don't see how to get there from here. As for national reciprocity, sure it sounds great in theory, but I feel that we will rue the day that we ceded the authority to make laws like this to the feds. Anything they can make legal they can subsequently do an about face on and make illegal at a later date. As much of a pain as the current patch work of different state laws can be it is much preferable to handing this power over to the federal government.
     
  4. hso

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    GOA is going to be opposed to any federal involvement having seen the mess the Fed can make of things.

    Also, it is important to read the proposed legislation as well as the interpretations of it before making judgements about it.
     
  5. Devonai

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    The League of Women Voters of Connecticut opposes this? Here is a copy of the e-mail I just sent them:

     
  6. Shovelhead

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    What the Feds giveth, the Feds can take away with a stroke of a pen.
    Constitutional Carry is the way to go, not a law.
    The current resident of the Oval Office has already shown that proper procedures and Congressional oversight are something to be brushed aside on a whim.
     
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    Looks like National Concealed handgun regristry to me. Dont care for the idea.
     
  8. HexHead

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    National reciprocity doesn't necessarily have to mean federal oversight. It should be a full faith and credit issue just like all states recognizing each other's drivers and heterosexual marriage licenses.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly. Then they could diminish or restrict things even more depending on which way the winds blows at any moment.
     
  10. newbuckeye

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    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one this make queasy. I've found the more the feds try to "simplify" something, the more complex it ends up. It's in their nature and they can't help it.
     
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    My concern about a Nationwide CCW law is that they would design the law after heavy input from NJ, NY, MD and other anti-gun states.

    Then we will get to carry in our car, if it is unloaded and only on every other Monday after a full moon on alternating odd and even days.

    Of course after we provide four references with their social security numbers, credit check, employer references, 100 hours of training, $300 fee, fingerprints, photos, dna sample, blood sample, physician release, lie detector test, psychological test, stress test.

    Absolutely NO federal involvement

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  12. Spats McGee

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    Can anyone confirm that bill or resolution number? When I click the link, I get the list of supporters, but I can't seem to match it up with a bill or resolution.
     
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    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." -- unknown
     
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    Yep. Awhile ago I had some involvement with this group regarding another matter. While researching them I was surprised to discover their anti-gun position, given that their stated reason for being is an equal voice for all.

    http://www.lwv.org/content/about-league

    http://www.lwv.org/content/gun-control

    Seems kinda contradictory, doesn't it?
     
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    States do not have to recognize each other's driver and marriage licenses; but not doing so would be economically stupid, and their legislatures know it.
     
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    Hexhead writes:

    Should be, yes; I agree.

    But, there has never been as powerful an agenda to restrict the driving privileges or right-to-marry of citizens as the one that exists to disarm them.
     
  19. Devonai

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    I did receive a reply:

    In my reply, I simply pointed out that it's relatively easy to get a permit in CT, that there are approximately 210,000 active pistol permits, and that I didn't think that was an indication that "we don't want most people to have permits." Since I chose to represent myself in my military capacity, my reply was short and polite and I decided not to get into the weeds with this lady.
     
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    I say keep the Feds out of it as much as we can even if at the time it might help us out.

    Also, the only way it could happen is if they added requirements to some states (which we don't want) or they removed requirements from others, which, as much as that should happen, is further infringing on State's Rights. Just my opinion.
     
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    I'd rather not have all of the eggs in one basket...held by Uncle Sam.
     
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    I'm probably gonna fall into the "against it" crowd. In no way, shape, or form do I want Feds having their hands on it. Like heycods was saying, sounds like a nice way for the Feds to easily know who's a permit holder and most likely having a gun registry along with it. I'll stick with how it is now unless it's a Constitutional Carry deal with no need of permits.
     
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    What a simpleton.
     
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    From 2005.......
    Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=1&

    "WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation."

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    In time to notify the next of kin.
     
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