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Naughty, Naughty Uncle Ted!

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by waffentomas, Aug 18, 2010.

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  1. waffentomas

    waffentomas Member

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    MARYSVILLE, Calif. – Rocker and celebrity hunter Ted Nugent will have to pay a $1,750 fine after pleading no contest in California to baiting a deer and not having a properly signed hunting tag.
    California Department of Fish and Game spokesman Patrick Foy says game wardens saw Nugent kill an immature buck on a February episode of his Outdoor Channel TV show "Spirit of the Wild."
    Investigators found that the deer had been eating bait called "C'mere Deer." Baiting wildlife is illegal in California.
    Nugent originally faced 11 charges, including killing a deer too young to be hunted. In a deal with Yuba County prosecutors, Nugent's attorney on Friday entered no contest pleas to the two misdemeanors.
    Nugent did not appear in court. A spokeswoman for the musician did not immediately return messages late Tuesday.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818...DeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3RlZG51Z2VudHBsZQ--
     
  2. FLAvalanche

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    Like he said, "I will follow the law until it's just plain stupid.".

    He had Game Wardens watching him, he had it on film, he aired it on TV. He's not stupid, he did it for a reason.

    He's a big proponent for changing no baiting laws and for culling young, undersized deer to bring forward better genetics and larger deer. You can't buy better exposure than this. I can bet this won't be the last we've heard on this.

    He had a whole show based on culling young doe and buck because undersized deer breed undersized deer and he's voiced his opinion on no baiting laws being just plain stupid.

    *Just saw that Uncle Ted is scheduled to be on Lopez Tonight. Coincidence? I think not.
     
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  3. 627PCFan

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    Can someone clarify "A deer too young to be hunted"?
     
  4. Bovice

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    If a deer hasn't reached maturity and hasn't been able to reproduce, you're killing off not only that deer but any young it may have created, and any young those young could have created, and so on and so forth. If you start killing all the young ones and old ones alike, you can push them to extinction. Remember what happened to the buffalo?

    I haven't always been 265 pounds, 6'2". I was born at only 8 pounds. Are "large" deer born that way? NO.

    idiot.
     
  5. KodiakBeer

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    I have no gripes with anyone doing it, but baiting deer to shoot from a stand isn't "hunting". I wish there was another term to separate that from actual hunting.
     
  6. Joe Demko

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    He's no uncle of mine.
     
  7. jimmyraythomason

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    Just about every deer hunter I know in Alabama kills the first legal deer that comes into range. In spite of that we have one of the largest (and healthiest)deer herds in the country.
     
  8. FLAvalanche

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    The deer was a spike buck which is illegal to kill in California from what one news site said.

    You're making the same incorrect assumption California is, that a deers antler point count is a direct relation to it's age.

    And I can go on about how small animals, people included will produce small offspring and genetics but I can already tell that time will be wasted on you.

    Hunting is the taking of game. Doesn't matter how you do it. You can't do it without taking advantage of your preys weakness one way or another. Be it food, water, shelter, sex or it's need to group you're using one of them against the animal.

    It's no different than using decoys on ducks and turkey or waiting for deer to enter an apple orchard or corn field or coating your feet with doe in heat urine and making mock scrapes.

    It's all the same.
     
  9. ThePunisher'sArmory

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    Yet another reason I don't deer hunt. Old Ted is quite right though. Most hunting laws are stupid. Bovice.......How can you even make the compairison of the buffalo with deer? The "white man" is not going out skinning hundreds of thousnds of buffalo a day and leaving the meat to rot. So don't call others here idiots sir.
     
  10. KodiakBeer

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    Hunt, verb: to search for animals to capture or kill them; to seek; to try to find

    In the UK, the term is used quite differently. When you shoot ducks or driven pheasants it's called "shooting". When you shoot deer from a stand it may be called "culling" or shooting.
    It's only when you go out and spot and stalk game that it's "hunting".

    I don't have any issue with shooting deer from a stand, baited or not, but it's not really hunting, it's just harvesting meat.
     
  11. chas08

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    So..I guess by your definition...Fishing with "Live Bait" ain't fishing.

    AMEN!!!!
     
  12. ThePunisher'sArmory

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    I love the name of that bait, "Come Eer Deer".
     
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    No, by my definition it wouldn't be hunting.
     
  14. FLAvalanche

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    There's a lot of kayak fisherman in this area who would agree with that statement.
     
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    ROFLMAO....You guys crack me up..:D:D:D
     
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    Anything 3" and longer is legal there to hunt and it is not cut and dried what is a young deer with out checking the teeth. You do hope you learn what a young deer looks like but in the land of black tails and muley's. And it is the most screwed up state in our country. they need the money.
     
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    Well then...naaaa, I'll keep this High Road. Stop throwing 'tater balls', I just wanna hit em!
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    C'mere Deer is made right down from my house. :)

    Baiting not being legal is ridiculous,we are talking about California though.

    Hunting is hunting, sitting in a tree stand for hours on end, freezing your man bits off waiting on a deer IS hunting.
    If you refer to a WMA manual it is most likely referred to as "Still Hunting" and it's the ONLY type of deer hunting allowed in Louisiana WMA's. :p
     
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    So he could get convicted?

    He may not be stupid, but he sure as heck isn't psychic. If he culled the underaged deer because he thought it was too small, then either he made a stupid mistake in identification in the field and thought it was an adult or made a stupid mistake of determining adult size at a point when it could not be determined.

    +1
     
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    Maybe it was an honest mistake, and maybe my thoughts are a bit unfair, but to me, Ted should be doing more to ensure that he does not bring any negative attention to the rest of us hunters.
    Because anything a public figure does will certainly hit the press pages, I think they should be setting the example, and this is not a good one.
     
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    Good post... Nothing good can come of purposely breaking game laws to make a point. Negative press is all thats going to come from it for us poor Stand sitting, Bait watching, Deer killers. :D
     
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    On the topic of baiting deer, in MI we have problems with bovine TB. They've outlawed baiting deer because they thought that deer congregating at bait piles would be pose a disease transmission risk. So, at least in MI, from what I understand, it's not anti-hunting sentiment that's driving the no baiting regulations, but a decision based on the conservation of the herd.
    Also, I am sympathetic to the idea that deer would just as readily eat together at an orchard or clover field, but I think that this situation would have the deer more spread out. I've seen plenty of bait piles that are literally just piles of corn or sugar beets and the deer are bunched in like cattle at a feed trough. I can easily see TB being spread quicker in these types of situations.

    In NC, it's illegal to bait deer with food but you can use mineral licks to draw them in. The reasoning behind that, I'm unclear on. That seems more of an unnecessary legislative overreach than what's happening in MI.

    I don't live in MI anymore but last time I was up I did see petitions to end the ban on baiting. I don't know what the public sentiment is or the hunting communities take on it.

    Edit: Chronic Wasting Disease is also a problem.
     
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    Here's a write-up by the Wisconsin DNR on why temporary bait bans are a good tool to stop CWD.

    http://www.cwd-info.org/pdf/FeedingDeer.pdf

    In the interest of full disclosure, I didn't read it in its entirety. I read some and skimmed some.


    Also, take note that I'm not saying every state should ban baiting. I'm just saying that there are instances when baiting should be banned, at least for a while.
     
  24. FLAvalanche

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    Not necessarily.

    Negative press is still press. It's all in how you spin it and he's got the money, gumption and support to spin it right.

    Look at the arguement it's caused in this thread. A couple of people have already pointed out that no-bait laws are stupid.

    Ted may go about things the wrong way, he may be brash, outspoken and loud and he may rub even those who agree with him the wrong way but he never fails to get his point across and he never fails to get the attention of the people who need to change these laws.

    The media only cares about the BAD things public figures do. I don't see write ups in any news outlets about the entire show Ted did on the handicapped girl who he bought an offroad wheelchair, hunting blind and rifle with a LCD display hooked into the scope and a joystick so this girl can enjoy hunting.

    In fact, I don't see any media coverage for any of the copious work he does for handicap hunters. I haven't seen anything about him and his wife opening their house to the wives of dead soldiers for a big dinner to show their appreciation. I haven't seen anything about the things he's done to help wounded soldiers, mostly amputees, get back into hunting.
     
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    I guess thats another way to look at it, not my way, but a way... All it says to me is; that those with money and celebrity can do what they want. But we all knew that already.
     
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