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NBC/ VPC .50-cal Story Sunday Night (BARF ALERT)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bubbles, Jun 17, 2005.

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  1. Bubbles

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    From my email:

    Dear Violence Policy Center Action Network Member:

    This Sunday at 7:00 PM Eastern time, NBC News' Dateline is scheduled to run a story on the threat posed by 50 caliber sniper rifles. The VPC worked closely with Dateline on the piece.

    Also, yesterday by a vote of 278 to 149 the U.S. House of Representatives defeated Representative Jim Moran's (D-VA) amendment to ban the export of 50 caliber sniper rifles. Thank you to everyone who called their Member of Congress this week in support of the Moran amendment. To see how your Representative voted, click here:

    http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-house-rollcall-super-rifles,0,3424527.story

    While disappointed in the final outcome, the vote stands as proof that policymakers are increasingly becoming aware of the terror threat posed by these guns.

    The vote on the amendment received widespread press coverage in more than 40 papers nationwide. Click here to see one of the Associated Press stories:

    http://newsobserver.com/24hour/politics/story/2487833p-10831498c.html

    Click here to see The Los Angeles Times story (requires free registration):

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...,7995946.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

    To learn more about the threat posed by 50 caliber sniper rifles, visit http://www.vpc.org.

    Thank you, as always, for your efforts to help stop gun death and injury.

    :fire: :cuss: :barf:
     
  2. OF

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    Bias? Nawww...
     
  3. nico

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    Now, who wants to take bets that if the NRA "worked closely with Fox News" on a story about how the VPC is full of crap, Keith Olbermeir would make his first story of the night for a week about how biased Fox is?

    I'd say I miss the days when supposed NEWS networks at least tried to appear unbiased, but I don't remember them :mad:
     
  4. Standing Wolf

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    The leftist extremists of the so-called "news" media are always glad to wave the socialist banner.
     
  5. Dan from MI

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    I can't stand Jim Moron or VPC.
     
  6. dolanp

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    I wonder how long it will be until a Law and Order episode has a terrorist buy one of these in a gun shop and shoots down a plane at JFK airport.
     
  7. 1911ONR

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    "dolanp: I wonder how long it will be until a Law and Order episode has a terrorist buy one of these in a gun shop and shoots down a plane at JFK airport. "

    Ripped from the headlines!
     
  8. hifi

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    Good job NBC, keep hyping the B.S. Keep giving criminals and terrorists more ideas. That's all the mainstream media is good for...
     
  9. El Rojo

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    I watched it. It wasn't too bad. NBC covered the points for our side too. Basically what it comes down to is who is in your sphere of influence and what do you do to persuade them to see things from a pro-liberty and pro-rights standpoint. If someone watches that with a pro-gun person, they would agree with the pro side. If someone watched it from an anti-position, they would see it as an anti piece. If they had no view, then they might see it from the anti side, but that is only because we are not reaching out to them. We can complain about the biased media all we want, but it is our job to get out and spread the word. The only person's fault that doesn't happen is our own. So rather than complain about this piece, go talk to some people about the .50 caliber and explain to them our rights and how much of a threat is really isn't.
     
  10. TarpleyG

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    I especially liked the part where the dead cop's wife asks why anyone needs a weapon like this and all the while her husband was shot and killed with another type of rifle during the incident.

    Greg
     
  11. rick_reno

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    I watched it too - a big deal was made of the Branch Davidians firing 50 caliber rifles at the LEO's assaulting their home.

    Here's the memo the Department of the Treasury released listing the firearms and parts found in the home. I don't find any mention of ANY 50 caliber rifles recovered.

    The Department of the Treasury

    July 13, 1995

    MEMORANDUM TO THE PRESS

    FROM: Chris Peacock, Director of Public Affairs

    SUBJECT: Weapons Possessed by the Branch Davidians

    Enclosed are a set of photographs of items recovered from the Branch Davidian compound and a document listing weapons the group possessed. The photographs were exhibits presented at the trial of eleven Branch Davidians in January and February of 1994 in San Antonio, Texas. The summary document, prepared by the Department of the Treasury, sets forward the findings of the FBI laboratory analysis of the recovered weapons. The FBI prepared the analysis at the request of the prosecution team and the Texas Department of Public Safety, which was responsible for collecting the evidence at the crime scene. The FBI experts' findings were presented at trial in January 1994. Copies of the FBI report are available upon request.

    The photographs make clear that the Davidians possessed an extensive arsenal. The first photograph displays some of the hundreds of weapons recovered from the compound. The second photograph "government exhibit 594" presents a portion of the ammunition rounds that were destroyed by heat ("cooked off") and found in an interior bunker; the pile in the photograph is approximately 5 feet high, 20 feet long, and 12 to 14 feet wide. The cooked-off ammunition is being shoveled into a Bob Cat front-loader in "government exhibit 593." "Government exhibit 599" shows one of the live hand grenades found on the premises.

    In total, the Texas Department of Public Safety, led by the Texas Rangers, recovered more than 300 firearms from the Branch Davidian compound. In addition, a number of live grenades and more than 300 grenade components were uncovered. Hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition were also seized.

    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms investigated David Koresh for conduct involving: the illegal manufacture of machine guns and the illegal manufacture and possession of destructive devices. The FBI report provides evidence that the Davidians' arsenal did indeed include weapons unlawfully manufactured. The weapons listed include semiautomatic firearms illegally modified to fire in full automatic mode, as well as grenades and silencers. All of these weapons were unlawfully possessed.

    I hope you find these documents useful as you review Treasury's report on ATF's role in events at Waco.

    _______________________________________________________________________________

    WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND: TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS AND THE ILLEGAL WEAPONS RECOVERED

    Machine Guns

    The FBI determined that 46 semiautomatic firearms had been modified to fire in full automatic mode:

    22 M-16 Type Rifles

    20 AK-47 Type Rifles

    2 Heckler and Koch SP-89

    2 M-11/Nine

    The FBI also determined that two AR-15 lower receivers had been modified to fire in full automatic mode.

    Silencers

    21 Sound suppressors or silencers

    Hand Grenades

    4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades

    The possession of lawfully manufactured machineguns, silencers, or grenades requires the owner to register the weapon with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. None of the compound's residents were registered to own such a weapon, therefore it would have been illegal for them to possess these weapons.

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    WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND: TREASURY SUMMARY OF REPORT PREPARED BY THE FBI FOR PROSECUTORS AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
    TOTAL WEAPONS RECOVERED

    (Including Weapons Mentioned on Previous Page)

    FIREARMS

    Rifles and Rifle Components

    61 M-16 Type and 2 M-16 Lower Receivers

    61 AK-47 Type

    34 AR-15 Type and 2 AR-15 Lower Receivers

    13 Shotguns -- 12 gauge

    11 7.62MM FN FAL Type

    10 Mini-14 Type

    7 37mm. Flare Gun/Launcher Type

    6 .30 Carbine Calber US Carbine, Model M1

    6 Assorted Rifles

    5 M-11/Nine

    5 M-14 Type

    3 Galil

    2 Heckler and Koch SP-89

    1 Air Rifle

    1 Heckler and Koch MP-5

    1 Sten submachine gun

    Pistols and Revolvers

    23 Beretta

    13 Glock

    8 Assorted Revolvers

    6 Safari Arms

    6 Assorted Pistols

    5 Sig Sauer

    5 Walther

    2 Taurus

    EXPLOSIVES

    Hand Grenades

    4 Live M-21 Practice Hand Grenades

    100+ Modified M-21 Practice Hand Grenade bodies; the bodies of these had been threaded and plugged but lacked a main charge or fusing system.

    11 M-69 Practice Hand Grenades; the bodies of these grenades exhibited indications of attempted modifications.

    219 Grenade Safety Pins

    243 Grenade Safety Levers

    Rifle Grenades

    200+ Inert M31 Practice Rifle Grenades.

    FIREARMS ACCESSORIES AND PARTS

    Silencers

    21 Sound suppressors and silencers.

    Flash Suppressors

    18 Flash Suppressors.

    Firearms Barrels

    17 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56 mm)

    8 M-16/AR-15 Type (9mm caliber)

    3 M-16/AR-15 Type (.45 ACP caliber)

    1 M-16/AR-15 Type (5.56 mm)

    2 Ruger. 22 Caliber

    1 M-60 machine gun

    1 12 Gauge Shotgun

    1 Taurus, Model 92, 9mm pistol barrel

    1 Sig Sauer 9mm pistol barrel

    Pistol Slides

    1 Sig Sauer Model

    Revolver Parts

    1 .38 Special caliber cylinder

    Bolt Carriers

    39 M-16

    24 AR-15

    2 MP-5

    2 AK-47

    1 FAL

    1 Unknown

    Bolts

    15 AK-47

    7 .22 LR conversion

    3 M-16/AR-15

    1 FN FAL (1)

    Bolt Assemblies

    3 M-11/Nine

    2 M-16

    1 AR-15

    1 MAC-10

    1 Shotgun

    Recoil Springs and Guides

    3 Glock

    2 Sig Sauer

    1 Beretta

    1 M-11/Nine

    Stripper Clips

    29 Stripper Clips

    Accessories

    6 .22 LR Caliber Conversion Kits

    Hammers

    31 AK-47

    18 M-16

    12 AR-15

    4 M-11/Nine

    2 Sig Sauer

    1 Beretta

    Hammer Springs

    3 AK-47

    Buffer/Recoil Springs

    36 M-16/AR-15

    4 AK-47

    Selector Switches

    9 M-16

    3 AR-15

    1 Unknown

    Sears

    1 M-11/Nine

    Auto Sears

    8 AK-47

    4 M-16

    1 FN FAL

    Auto Sear Springs

    12 AK-47

    Disconnects

    7 AK-47

    1 M-16

    Trigger/Trigger Mechanisms/Trigger Housings

    17 M-16

    6 AR-15

    3 M-60

    3 M-11/Nine

    2 MP-5

    2 Sten

    1 AK-47

    1 Heckler & Koch

    1 M-14

    1 Smith & Wesson

    1 Beretta

    1 Shotgun

    Ammunition Magazines

    289 7.62 x 39mm AK-47 Type

    248 .223/5.56 mm M-16/AR-15 Type

    108 Sten Gun Type

    88 .308 Caliber FN FAL Type

    72 M-14 Type

    61 Beretta Model Type 92

    58 .308 Caliber of Unkown Type

    28 Ruger Mini-14 Type

    22 .22 Caliber

    17 UZI Type

    16 USAS-12 Type

    13 .45 Caliber

    11 Glock

    11 MP-5

    11 Sig Sauer P226/P228

    9 Unknown Type

    7 .308 Caliber Galil Type

    6 Walther PPK

    5 9mm Unknown Type

    4 .50 Caliber

    3 .30 Caliber U.S. Carbine

    3 .380 Auto Caliber

    2 9mm Smith & Wesson

    1 AK-74 Type

    1 Grendel

    Ammunition Containers

    220 Metal Boxes (Various Calibers)

    15 Wooden Boxes (Various Calibers)

    4 Buckets (Various Calibers)

    1 Cardboard Boxes (Various Calibers)

    Magazine Springs

    360 M-16/AR-15

    42 FN FAL .308 Caliber Type

    35 AK-47

    28 9mm Magazine Springs of Unknown Type

    15 Unknown

    10 M-14

    6 M-1 Carbine

    3 .50 Caliber

    1 Mini-14 Magazine

    1 Glock

    These lists do not include dozens of other items recovered from the Compound such as dust covers, extractors, front and rear sights, gun cleaning equipment, bolt release levers, compensators, .50 caliber belt links and numerous other parts.
     
  12. stevelyn

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    Hmmmph.................They could dig out and list all the guns the Davidians had, but they can't find a door? :scrutiny:
     
  13. TarpleyG

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    The .50s fired in Waco were by the Nat'l Guard helicopters IIRC. Even those may not have been .50.

    Greg
     
  14. BostonGeorge

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    Maybe a .50 cal is listed under "assorted rifles," .50 caliber magazines and magazine springs were apparently recovered.
     
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    Didn't NBC have some rocket motors put under Chevy trucks to "prove" how unsafe the tank design is? They never let the facts get in the way of a good story...
     
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