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Need a versatile .44Mag powder

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by gofastman, Sep 4, 2011.

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  1. gofastman

    gofastman Member

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    I hear H110 is the powder for top end 44mag loads, however it doesnt like to be downloaded.
    Is there a powder out there that is a bit more friendly for MIN loads, yet still provides some thump when needed?
    pehaps AA#9?

    I plan on geting some Titegroup for .44spl loads
     
  2. rcmodel

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    Alliant 2400 is pretty hard to beat for any Magnum loads if you don't want or need the extra 75 FPS H110/W296 can give you.

    It doesn't need Magnum primers it light it off like the ball powders.
    And it can be down-loaded safely to some extent.

    If you want mid-range loads in the +/- 1,000 FPS range try Alliant Unique.
    It works just peachy keen in .44 Spl too!

    rc
     
  3. CraigC
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    A feller could get through life just fine with Unique and 2400!
     
  4. gofastman

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    is Unique more or less the couterpart to Titegroup?
     
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    +1 RCmodel!! 2400 is deffinitely one of, if not the most, versatile powder for magnum hand cannon's. I think you can load it with a standard primer too. H110/296 require a magnum primer, I know from experience.
    If you want the remaining power your magnum offer's, then H110 or 296 are the ticket. But they are rather finicky about how much powder you use and require a magnum primer to light them up. In that regard I've found that only near maximum, or maximum charges will perform consistently.
     
  6. Josh45

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    Im not loading .44 but I am loading .357 and so far, I have shot about 20 rounds of .357 using 2400.

    I like it. It doesn't kick as hard as I thought it would. I was using low end data for that matter. Although......I did get some unburnt powder.
     
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    I don't know about downloaded performance, but AA#9 seems to not get a real complete burn when loaded on the minimum side. Lots of what appears to be unburnt powder. When loaded to the max it seems to burn cleaner / more completely.
     
  8. gofastman

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    ok so 2400 it is.

    now, how 'bout Titegroup vs Unique in 44spl?
    Id like to get a big ol chunk of lead moving at a relatively low speed for target practice, I was thinking a 250gr wadcutter at around the 700fps mark, a wanna-be .45colt if you will
     
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    Titegroup is more efficient, Unique is more filling. Both are excellent. TG is my close #3 behind 2400 and Unique.
     
  10. zxcvbob

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    Try Herco and 240 grain cast bullets.
     
  11. Mr.Revolverguy

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    2400 but I am surprised no one mentioned Universal Clays.
     
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    TightGroup is closer to Bullseye in burning speed characteristics.
    I haven't been pleased with T-G. I've burned too many pounds of Bullseye to care for T-G. If forced to replace Bullseye it would be with #231. The difference is that I prefer clean scores to a clean bore.

    #231 comes close to Unique for flexible usage. Universal is so close to Unique that they are almost interchangeable. Unique is a tad bulkier than Universal, however.

    I load far more Unique/Universal in the .44mag and .45lc than #2400. I seldom "need' that much powder.

    I haven't burn any H110 in a .44 or .45 since the late '70's. Just don't need THAT much POWER.

    A 250-300gr handgun bullet at 850-1,000fps is enough. If I need more, I'll take a rifle, thankyou!
     
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    44 Mag. Loads

    Don't know about down loading 2400 but it's my choice for full blown loads. Use 22.5gr behind a Speer 240gr half jacket takes a deer down with authurity. Don't use this load in anything but a Ruger Super Blackhawk, will make double actions like S&W 29 side plates stick out. Put a muzzlebreak on mine so I can shoot out of blind window without ripping off the scope. Just shoot 44 spec. rounds to get less recoil.
     
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    +1 for W-231 over TG.
     
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    I use Unique, IMR4227 and H110/W296 in my .44s....revolvers and carbines. They do all I ever need to have done.
     
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    W231 will give you 1200f.p.s with a 240LSWC or you can load it down to targer velocities. I personally like AA#9 for my hot 357 and 44 loads but also use 296.
     
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    Unique works for me. I get 1100+ fps out of cast 240's with good accuracy and no leading using 9.5 grains.

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    Sorry about going slightly off topic, but I am wondering about the need for magnum primers. I load H110 in 30 carbine, 357 Magnum, 44 Magnum, and 500 S&W. I have never used a magnum primer and have never had any problems.

    To answer the original question though, Unique isn't too bad. Great for light loads, but I would go with H110 if you want the maximum.
     
  19. RalphS

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    I tested H-110 with both regular primers and magnum primers over a chronograph. The results were almost identical. The magnum primer loads were 1% faster than the regular primers.

    IMO, magnum primers should be labeled "cold weather primers". I live in Florida and tested in hot weather.

    Maybe there is a difference in cold weather. It would be interesting if someone in the North would test them in cold weather.

    Just to be safe, I develop my magnum loads using magnum primers because they are a little hotter but I wouldn't hesitate to use regular primers with H-110.
     
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    I use three powders for .44 Magnum.

    For jacketed magnum loads it is 2400. i.e. 240 grain XTP
    For lead magnum loads up to 1300 to 1350 I use IMR 4227 with a 240 LSWC.
    I also use Unique for Beartooth and MCB lead loadings to around 1150 fps.

    2400 is working better for me with jacketed bullets. Unique is very good for your medium loads. IMR 4227 gives the best performance with LSWC from MCB Company.

    These are out of a 5 1/2" Super BlackHawk rounded trigger guard model with Hogue Mono grips.
     
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    Colt: I see you are shooting an Anaconda. I am looking to get a .44mag, but want one that will take a steady diet of full-power loads w/o a problem.

    Do you feel your pistol will stand-up to lots of full-power loads w/o loosening up?
     
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    There were 2 powders that I've used for revolvers for years, 2400 and Unique. Soon as I tried 2400 I quit buying H110 it's just more versatile. Unique works good for light to medium loads and I used it for quite a few years.

    The last 3 years I quit Unique and went to Universal and Power Pistol. For some reason my Dillon powder measure doesn't like Unique. Don't know why but I've left it for that reason.
     
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    Try WSF. It has the same burn rate as Herco (between Unique and Power Pistol) and it measures like 231. There is very little load data for it; use Herco data, just don't get crazy with it in case it's not a perfect match -- but it seems to be an exact match, according to my chronograph.
     
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    2400 has been the standard 44 Magnum powder for 50+ years.
    Accurate 4100, less known but performs at least as well. Both offer excellent accuracy and no magnum primer required.
     
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    I use alliant 2400 in most of my .44 loads from plinking loads with 200gr plinking loads to 255gr keith loads for hunting. I use standard primers with it and have no problems with uniformity in my loads. If i want to load up 300gr bullets for serious work then i pull out the w296 and magnum primers. Blue dot is also a good .44 mag powder for medium loads but i choose to just stick with two powders to keep my powder selection consolidated.
     
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