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Need advice on a THR gun purchase that may have gone bad

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by rock jock, Oct 11, 2004.

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  1. rock jock

    rock jock Member

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    I won't bore you with the details. Suffice it to say I sent a MO ten days ago to a member here on THR. That person lives in Texas and based on correspondence with friends in that area, it typically takes 2-3 days to receive mail from my location. So, I am pretty confident that he has had the MO in hand since probably mid-last week. He has not responded to several inquiries in any way regarding receipt of the MO or when he intends to ship the gun. I know he was in town last week because I called his house and spoke with his wife/daughter(?), who also confirmed that he had not shipped any guns. I don't want to threaten legal action yet, but I am beginning to worry. I have never had a seller take this long to respond. IF this turns out to be a scam, what are my options? What can someone face in terms of criminal charges for a fraudulent sale? How long should I wait before pursuing legal action?
     
  2. boofus

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    If the deal goes bad contact his local PD. They might be able to help you out. Was it supposed to be delivered to a FFL or a face to face deal?
     
  3. rock jock

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    Direct mail to me, which is legal for an in-state transfer.
     
  4. Mike Hull

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    The postmaster general will aggressively pursue mail fraud cases, and they are felonies. Just call your local post office(You mailed the MO I assume?).

    They do this fairly quickly too.
     
  5. bg

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    When you find out, let me know..
    Here's a place that will take special interest in this since it started via the internet.
    Ck out who runs this at the bottom...
    www.ifccfbi.gov
     
  6. Tharg

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    Have copies of the money order? know the date sent? bah - i can't think of anything else off the top of my head - but have yer ducks in a row no matter what. Just saying to someone that something happened doesn't lend a lot of credence to someone who prolly hears it however many times a day/X amount of cases etc...

    Just saying - not saying yer lieing or he is not... etc.. just saying that i'd have my ducks in a rob before i called police/fbi etc.. =)

    J/Tharg!
     
  7. rock jock

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    Yeah, I have the receipt from the MO. From that, I can find out who cashed it and where. I also have copies of email correspondence. Good points, though.
     
  8. Standing Wolf

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    I have a hunch the B.A.T.F.E. might have an interest in a case of this sort, too.
     
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    The postmaster general will aggressively pursue mail fraud cases, and they are felonies. Just call your local post office(You mailed the MO I assume?).

    bought a item from a ebay dealer in Florida.Never arrived ,no answer to emails.Turned it over to the post office with a copy of the PMO and filled out the form.Recieved another form to fill out about 6 months.About a year after that I recieved a letter from them stateing that they could do nothing.So do not expect the PO to be of any help
     
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    If its a senior member here Im gonna be pretty dissapointed

    WildhmmmAlaska
     
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    Are you sure about that?


    Hmmmm...maybe we have found part of the problem.

    Smoke
     
  12. rock jock

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    Yes, it is legal as long as it goes through a common carrier (e.g., FedEx, UPS).

    Not a senior member.

    Yeah, I don't have a LOT of faith the USPS would do something, BUT since the threat of a felony conviction would mean bye-bye to any firearms for the rest of his life, I expect it might get his attention.

    I think you're right, especially since he has admitted sending handguns through the post office before.
     
  13. mcmoyer

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    :scrutiny:

    looking back through posts & using Charlie Chan decoder ring it appears that it was a new member.

    :scrutiny:

    edited to add: I hope you get it straightened out for the good!
     
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    USPS will NOT aggressively pursue this, sorry. Do a search in the feedback for coppergold or tina and see what a whole bunch of THR guys got ripped off for and guess what? USPS did nothing and the local PD also did nothing.
    Lots of smoke and BS but no real action. Drive over to his house (No whining about how far it is) and pick up your gun or get your money back, face to face.
     
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    Don't count on the USPS to help. I'm still waiting on a problem I encountered 5 months ago. They said they'd send him a letter telling him to pay me back my money. It also said that they investigate if there are numerous complaints. So I added mine to the list. Hope you get your gun.
     
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    I think you're horribly overrreacting. You mailed it on a Friday, so basically it's been one week sandwhiched between two weekends (one of which was a holiday). In those ten days, arguably only five of which were working days if you missed the outgoing mail on Friday, you've contacted him repeatedly and called his wife.

    Mail is slow. People have lives.

    Perhaps you should settle down, enjoy a nice smoke or glass of whiskey, and try calling again tomorrow?

    If you really want to you can cancel the MO right now if it hasn't been cashed and get all your money back. And in the future you can be sure to send large amounts of money with a tracking number an delivery confirmation so there's a record of where it ended up and when.

    Honestly, and I don't mean this to be rude, but you sound like a real problem buyer. If it were me, I'd pack your gun up and ship it out without even telling you. Not worth the hassle on my part to try and explain to you that I just got your money order when you obviously believe I'm a liar and have already harassed my family.
     
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    You are being rude and I assume you have never done a gun purchase over the Internet. I have done close to two dozen, both on the buying and selling end. It is more than just a simple courtesy to let the buyer know ASAP when you have received payment and when the gun will be shipped. It is expected. That means if a seller receives on a Wednesday, for example, they get off their lazy backside and send a confirmation email that day if possible or the next day if not. It is also expected that you have the gun ready to ship BEFORE payment is received so that it then becomes a simple process to bring it to UPS/FedEx and send it on its way. It is then expected that the seller send another email letting the byuer know that the gun has been sent, perferably with a tracking number.

    In fact, I seriously doubt you have ever made a sale of anything over the Internet period. Because I can pretty much guarantee that someone with your lackadaisical attitude about holding a stranger's money for days will garner you a pretty bad rep real fast.

    You also make a great many assumptions. I never said I harrassed his family. I very calmly asked when he would be in and if she knew whether or not he had mailed a gun to me.
     
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    If it helps, I have an "internal" contact with a Special Agent in Charge here at the Dallas ATF office. PM me if you would like some help. I dont mind also just doing a drive by assessment of the guys place if its local.

    PM me...
     
  19. rock jock

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    aguy, it is just outside Fort Worth and I very much appreciate your offer of help. I may take you up on that shortly.
     
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    I was under the impression that even an in-state private sale had to go through an FFL on both ends if the gun is to be shipped.

    I know you can do a face to face transaction, but I did not think shipping between two private individuals was legal, even if in the same state.

    Also, I did not the the US Postal Service would ship guns unless you were an FFL, and I did not think Fed Ex and UPS would let you ship them to private individuals either.
     
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    I thought the FFL just had to be on the receving end.
     
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    I have had a number of internet transactions on grips and such, all through gun boards, all good. A private seller may have time to notify the buyer of every step of the process, and often does. Dealers often don't have time, therefore don't.

    One of my transactions seemed a little slow, but it really wasn't, when looked at from the other side.

    I recommend counting days for both parts of the process, and allowing a little extra. Then you can start calling him, and finding out what is really going on. If your ducks are in a row today, they will be next week. I doubt that he is planning to pick up and move out of state over this transaction.
     
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    You can "expect" a lot of things to happen, but life sometimes don't follow your little rules. I have bought handguns before and learn from the seller after the sale that they ship out their orders in bulk. They had my payment for 2 weeks before they shipped it out. I now question all aspects of the sale before I send the payment so there won't be any more surprises.
     
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    Have you looked down in Rate P&R Transactions? There is a tale of woe involving a MO down there. I don't know if this is the other half of your situation (& if it is he should have at least had the decency to PM/email/call you).

    FWIW.

    Greg
     
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