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Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by atvalaska, Feb 5, 2010.

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  1. atvalaska

    atvalaska Member

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    ok high dollar to me :) i have a usa made burris 4.5x14 that i shelled out 375.00 for a few years back..now i'm about to spend 650 to 750 (i'm looking at KAHLES x12 power on high)...the 6500 bushs, are in that range but they have "taken" me in the pass, theres lepoed etc and what do you guys think on the take of ; "with better glass u don't need the power" because if i get the kahels i will be stepping down in power but up in grade.....:banghead: its going on a 22-250 26" bull barrel..shot are from <100yds to "across the river"! but i'm most interrested in the bang for the buck..i feel that 8 years or so ago the usa burris was a dang good scope ..but than nikon had better glass back than........
     
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    I'm not an expert by any means, but few thoughts come to mind...

    -First, please edit your post for proper capitalization and punctuation; that is how we do things here at THR.

    -Second, yeah, I'm a fan of the Elite 6500; have one myself, and wouldn't mind having another.

    -The Kahles are supposed to be very good for the money, and are often found on closeouts; what happened to you before with them?

    -If the minimum shot is 100 yards, why not get a fixed target scope like a Leupold 35x45, or one from Weaver or Sightron? The fixed target scopes have fewer lenses than a variable, so they have better light transmission, and are better values.

    -Yes quality of glass grind CAN indeed "make up for" magnification.

    -But *generally speaking*, for a REALLY high-end scope, take a look at these, roughly in order:

    Schmidt & Bender
    Premier Reticles
    Hensoldt
    U.S. Optics
    Nightforce
    Kelby/March
    Leupold Mark IV
    Others: Sightron S3 / Kahles / Zeiss / Swarovski / maybe some high-end ('tactical') Nikons
     
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  4. George Hill

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    The more and more I deal with Scopes and the companies that make them... Studying the actual mechanics of the internals... I am becoming a great fan of Zeiss Optics. Their Conquest series is an amazing value when it comes to Strength and Optical Quality.
    For not much more than the price of a Leupold, you can get a Zeiss.
    Heck, you can get a 3-9 Conquest Z-Plex for 399. That makes it the best deal in the whole scope case. 575 are where the others start out at, such as the 3-9 with the Rapid Z reticle.
    These suckers can withstand G shocks almost twice as high as other scopes. I've seen one that had been run over by a Truck - scope was just fine. My boss did that. I saw one that was hit with a .45ACP round because of a negligent discharge at the rifle range.... that scope (stainless body) survived, even if it was dented. The mechanism was fine. It tracked true. And the lenses looked just as clear. Customer wanted to send it in just to check the gas seals so it wouldn't fog up on him. Zeiss actually gave him a new one.
    It's not the Grind that makes the glass good. Most makers all get their glass from the same sources. Leupold for example gets their glass from Nikon.
    What makes the differences is what they do with those lenses... the coatings. That's the key. Not only do you need good coatings, but you also need good mechanics inside. I don't find the quality of the mechanisms that I want in many popular scopes... but that's just me.
    I'll spend my dollars on Zeiss.
     
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    Every body has good advice but ultimately it is your personal preference. Fore me at that price range and because I own one and am in the process of getting a second one from them it is Sightron. Great company, service, glass, tracks great and an unbeliveable warranty on the scope. Check this link out:

    http://www.opticsplanet.net/sightron-riflescopes-by-price-6.html
     
  6. NCdrummer

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    You have to consider Meopta MeoStar. Best value out there in my book. Check with Alex at www.eurooptic.com. He's a good guy and knows his stuff.
     
  7. CB900F

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    Atvalaska;

    I just ordered my second Zeiss 3.5-10X 44mm mil-dot Conquest last night. The Zeiss Conquest is truly an excellent piece of glass, you could do worse.

    As to the other point: Yes, resolution beats magnification every day in my book. Compare at equal magnification a high-end scope and a sub-$200.00 scope. Look for the smallest details that you can see with the high-end & then see if the bargain glass can match. Most likely, it won't be able to. If you can't see the difference, you quite literally may need a prescription change in your glasses, or need glasses if you don't have them at this time.

    900F
     
  8. atvalaska

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    KAHLES 4 x12 mz for 725$ ,to my house ... is what i got ...thanks u all..
     
  9. Zak Smith

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    You need to clearly define what your actual use will be. I've written a lot about "practical long-range shooting" which has its own set of desired qualitative and quantitative features.


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    For general shooting and most hunting use, you do not necessarily need these features. In that case pick a scope from a good manufacturer with a reticle you like, in the right magnification range (generally less than 10x), and good optics.

    -z
     
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