Need help gathering info about Savage model 3 rifles

[Rob62]

scmerrill71 - All the bolts I have seen have been chrome plated - at least at some point. I saw one rifle that had so much of its original chrome worn off of its bolt that it looked like a conventional blued bolt.

I don't think there are any home chrome kits but there could be. I would send the bolt out to a gunsmith that does chrome and have it professionally done.

Rob

 

[RyanF]

Model 3D

Hello,

I just received a Model 3D from my father, who inherited from his oldest brother. The stock has a painted design on it, I haven't seen another quite like it. My father said the firing pin was getting weak, but I think it may have just needed some oil. I am going to purchase some rounds tomorrow to try it out. Attached are some pics, let me know if you want any more info on the gun.

Ryan

 

[Rob62]

RyanF - Thanks for sharing. Its always great to see more pics of these rifles. Yours looks like a standard (later) produced 3D.

Regards,
Rob

 

[faustrino]

I'm looking for a bolt for a 3b or compatable. Are the other model 3 versions the same bolt? Any help? Please respond by email if possible. [email protected]

 

[Rob62]

faustrino - I have not had the opportunity to compare various sub model bolts side by side. But I'm 99% sure they are all interchangeable. Be sure to try the ususal parts sources like Gun Parts Corp, they may surprise you and have one in stock.

Good Luck,
Rob

 

[Mike the Kiwi]

Hey there, I'm looking after this rifle for a family friend who has inherited it along with a couple others. It is a 3B, has a black plastic butt plate, stamped trigger gaurd, a peep sight, gold front bead, a serial number stamped on the right and an odd wee shell holder of a type I have never seen before. The blue and stock are in poor condition but the action is still smooth as and it shoots fine. Thought you chaps might be interested.

 

[Troublco]

I just acquired one for my daughter. It's a Model 3, 24" barrel, steel buttplate, finger grooved stock, gold dot front sight, standard notched leaf with elevator rear sight, bolt doesn't look like it was chromed but may have worn off (looks blued now), stamped steel triggerguard, and a takedown screw underneath to allow action removal. The stock looks like walnut, but was refinished (with a really nice hand rubbed poly finish) just before I got it. The bore is shiny and clean, and the rifling is sharp and nice. Looks to me like it sat in a closet for many years. Would this be an earlier model, with the stamped metal parts?

 

[kragluver]

Yours sounds exactly like mine except the chrome on my bolt was still present. I'd say yours is one of the very early models as the trigger guard is stamped.

 

[Rob62]

Troublco - I'd say its an early model. However as far as I know only the trigger guard was made from stamped steel. (Plus maybe a few other small parts)

Happy New Year,

Rob

 

[JoshInReno]

My grandparents recently moved into a home one the Northern California coastline and my grandfather found something in the barn he thought I might have a use for.

Here is what he found:



















I used a "rust disolving gel" in a small area of the barrel and discovered that it is a Savage Model 3B. Mine says on the barrel ".22 Long Short or .22 Long Rifle" I haven't found a serial number yet due to the surface rust.

Always fun to find a new restoration project.

 

[Rob62]

JoshInReno - Thanks on sharing the find.

Don't bother looking for a serial number there will not be one. Since it was not required by law to serial number these guns when they were made, the manufacturer did not do it.

I'd love to see pics when you re-finish it.

FWIW - looks like you have one of the earlier ones made. (Grooved stock, stamped trigger guard , and it looks like a metal butt plate - but can't be sure of that)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that even though the outside looks really bad, the bore will be OK.

Regards,
Rob

 

[Gun_Shy]

I stumbled across this while looking for info on another rifle that appears to be related to the Savage 3.

I have a Montgomery Wards Western Field model 36, dating to the 1930s, that is either a rebadged Stevens model 52B or Mossberg model 10 (both were sold under the Western Field model 36 name). When checking with some people on the "Savage Collectors" forum (https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/forums/40/1/Savage_Collectors), several people said it looked like a Savage model 3 (or, as one guy put it, "An early Savage Model 3 with the cheaper stock and sights that they put on their Stevens versions and other "branded" versions like Springfield, Western Field, etc.").

Here are some photos. The rifle is all original except for the added sling swivels -- tell me if you think the guys on Savage Collectors are right.

Bill

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[Rob62]

I'd say it is a model 3 varient. And it looks like an early one at that. Is the barrel 24" or 26" long ?

Rob

 

[Gun_Shy]

I'd say it is a model 3 varient. And it looks like an early one at that. Is the barrel 24" or 26" long ?

Rob

Here are the dimensions as I measure them on the Western Field 36:

barrel: 21" (actually, 20 15/16") to front of receiver
barrel: 22" overall (ie, including the part inside the receiver)
takedown length, with bolt: 27"
takedown length, without bolt: 26 1/4"
stock length, diagonal, front of stock to bottom of butt: 27"
stock length, linear*: 27 1/4"
overall length, diagonal, barrel tip to bottom of butt: 39 7/8"
overall length, linear: 40"
gold bead front sight

(*By "linear" I mean measuring straight back along the rifle to the furthest point, as if the butt were square rather than curved.)

The finger groove ends 3" from the front of the stock on the left side and 3 1/4" from the front on the right side.

The only stamping on the rifle, other than the "Western Field" legend, is a "14" inside a circle on the barrel, covered by the stock.

It is chambered for .22 short, long, and long rifle.

According to Numrich, the Savage model 3 came with a 22", 24" and 26" barrel; the Stevens model 52B is listed with only a 22" barrel.

Apparently, the same rifle was also sold as the Sears "Ranger" model 35.

Bill

 

[Rob62]

Bill,

Thanks for posting the detailed information. None of the references I have seen, and admittedly its all flowing together by now, list a 22" barrel for Savage 3 rifles. Very interesting that Numrich lists a 22" varient. Certainly just because it has not been widely circulated does not mean there are no factory 22" barrelled model 3's.

In context, and with the certain believe that your gun is a "House Branded" Savage model 3, I would not have expected the barrel to be 22". Specially with it looking like a very early made model. These early produced model 3's "should" have a 26" barrel. However many folks have reported that their rifles produced early in the run have 24" barrels.

I am not certain what the stamp of "14" inside the circle means but there have been numerous reports of people who's model 3's have this exact stamp.

(FWIW - Since I started this thread I have sold my model 3 and regret it very much. If I can ever find another one at a reasonable price I'll snap it up and stash it for good)

Rob

 

[undead_knight]

Sorry i know its a necrophilia but the info was very helpful

1. What version of the model 3 do you own and is it in original condition? Model 3B, it seems to be.

2. What is the barrel length? 25"
Barrel and reciever/chamber: 30.31"
Over all: 43.2"

3. Do you know when it was made? 30's - from your info

4. What kind of sights does it have on it? open iron sights, gold bead front, flat-top rear - same as whats described in model 3

5. Does it have a cast or metal stamped trigger guard? bent metal of some sort

6. Is the bolt and or trigger chrome plated? trigger still has chrome on it, bolt has lost most of it where it rubs on the housing.

7. Is the stock walnut, and does it have finger groove/s on the front? i think it is - its quite a dark redie colour - yes it does have finger grooves

8. What kind of butt plate does it have, metal, hard rubber, or plastic? metal with the horizontal lines

Other markings: Just below an to the right of the rear sight its got a 14 in side a circle, What looks like to be a stamped 'Q', A stamped 'S', and a half stamped thing (will put photos up).

There is an arrow on the bolt pointing to the cocking knob, and another 'S' on the cocking knob

I am in New Zealand, picked it up for $80nzd

Pics:
full view

Model 3B

markings

rear of the bolt

 

[Joew575]

Hey Rob62 i was cleaning my guns today and I started to looking for info on my savage model 3c and there is very little. I want to thank you for all your great info you have gathered and it looks as though I can fill in a gap for you.
version: model 3C
Barrrel Length: 25" 26" to chamber
Year Made: I don't know made in Utica N.Y.
Sights: refer to pics would like some info on them
Trigger Guard: Cast
Bolt and Trigger:Chrome Plated
Stock: Walnut stock no finger grooves
Butt Plate: Plastic
I tried to take detailed photos of everything you were asking for and I really hope this will help you to help me figure out more info on this gun.

c

 

[Rob62]

The sights look like basic factory original ones.

Overall your rifle looks to be in very good to excellent condition.

Regards,

Rob

 

[Justin Bulling]

Hi Rob
Are you still gathering info on these? Mine is a 3B I picked up in a gun shop here in Australia. It was one of 2 they had. The other was in close to new external condition except it had a wasps nest in the muzzle at one stage and there was corrosion there. Mine is not bad though. I paid A$85 (US$65)
Barrel is 26"
Gold bead front sight and standard rear.
Trigger guard is stamped steel.
Buttplate is plastic.
Trigger and bolt is nickel plated.

You can see it here if you can put up with me waffling on! Savage starts at 17:47 if you want to skip the rest.


Regards
Justin