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Need help ID'ing shingling hatchet

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by rcmodel, May 16, 2013.

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  1. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    This shingling hatchet belonged to my great great grandfather.

    I retreived it out of the junk today and am trying to get some idea of who made it.

    My first impression was an early Kansas blacksmith, or Illinois Blacksmith made it before he came to Kansas?

    But after I knocked some of the rust off I found:
    What appears to be a heart stamped in on side.
    And some very small stamped writing on the other which I think are in three lines.

    It is too badly rust pitted to read it.

    Measurements are:
    2 3/4" cutting edge.
    6 1/8" OAL length.
    1/2" x 1 1/2" eye.

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    The eye is cracked, and the hammer head badly flared over.

    But I want to re-handle it and make something out of it again.

    Maybe a Viking Ax, cause I think it is nearly old enough to be one? :D

    Or maybe a walking stick head, cause I feel old & tired enough to need one. :mad:

    rc
     
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  2. Gottahaveone

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    RC, If it was *your* Great Great Grandfathers, are you sure it isn't made of bronze? Sorry, couldn't resist :evil:
     
  3. Sam Cade

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    Is the crack actually into the eye or is it in the cheeks?

    If it isn't into the eye you could stop drill the crack and weld it after opening it up.


    I'd pitch the head into a bucket of vinegar and see if some more of that corrosion will scale off.
     
  4. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    I don't know what you call it, but the cracks in the head, right next to the front of the eye is visible in both side photos.

    The right side is way worse then the left side.

    I will maybe try the vinegar next time I get out to get some.

    I have also heard Coca-Cola works like that too and the fizz helps work the rust off??
    Know anything about that?

    Thanks for the help!

    PS: I still kinda wonder what use this thing was put too all those years.
    The hammer head didn't get peened over & the eye (cheeks?) cracked pounding shingle nails on a wood roof I betcha.

    My grandfather had a blacksmith shop on the farm with a forge & huge anvil, and ran steam engine thrashing machines as well as farming half a section with horses.

    Now, I'm wondering if he didn't have a blacksmith hammer or three to go with it all and used this hatchet for making horse shoes & plow shears??


    rc
     
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  5. Sam Cade

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    Never tried coca-cola, but I've been pickling every rusty widget I encounter using white vinegar with good results for a couple decades now.

    Just pitch it in and forget about it for a couple days.
     
  6. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    10-4!

    I may get white vinegar And some Coke
    Been wanting to try the Coke thing for some time but never had any thought of using it to raise lettering on this old hatchet.

    And if Coke or vinegar don't work?

    I can always drink it mixed on the rocks or something?? :what:

    rc
     
  7. Sam Cade

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    Drop an boiled egg in vinegar for a month and you have a tasty treat.


    What do you get if you use Coke instead?:scrutiny:


    Anyone want to do that culinary experiment?
     
  8. rcmodel

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    Green teeth, and bad breath at both ends??

    I won't try that I think!

    rc
     
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    Ive tried coke/pepsi a few times on things.

    The PH is on the acidic side of the scale but its very very mild.

    I don't think the bubbles have anything to do with anything.
     
  10. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Well, it's swimming in a glass bowl of white vinegar as of 5 minutes ago.

    We will see what happens.

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    Hmmmm. Handle for a tactical walking cane?
     
  12. Sam Cade

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    Fokos!

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  13. rcmodel

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    Hatchet head after 24 hours in white Vinegar.


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    Should have bought a Big bottle of vinegar instead of a small one! :D

    It's getting tired of eating rust already!

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    RC, that's a cool tool. Since you mentioned/wondered it, I remembered something Granfors Bruk's says about a "crack" on their axes.. to me, a crack is a crack but it seems they may say otherwise.. they have pictures saying what they are talking about and to me, it still looks like what they say is not a crack is a crack. but anyway


    From their website:

    http://www.gransforsbruk.com/en/faq/

    "It looks like a crack on the bottom of the axe, nere the axe eye. Is that dangerous and will the axe break?

    No, there is no crack in the strict sense, it just looks that way. This phenomenon has occurred when the hole of the head has been forged and then compressed a bit when the shape of the head has been made. It is no rupture and the axe will not break."
     
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    Well, that's certainly interesting!!
    Still looks like cracks to me though!

    Thanks for the link!!

    I do agree the blade probably won't break clear off the head.

    But the eye spreading at the cracks makes keeping a handle tight with wood and steel wedges nearly impossible it seems.

    I remember launching this one off the handle at inopportune times more then once when I was a boy.

    I re-handled it years ago, and I could never keep the handle tight.

    rc
     
  16. Sam Cade

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    This is what they are talking about.


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    I know. They have a picture of an axe they've made that looks exactly like yours.. regarding the crack.. I guess it's a very regular and "normal" phenomenon.
    Sam, they refer to a crack just as pictured in one of RC's first photo's.
     
  18. rcmodel

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    Nope!

    My cracks are different then the crack Sam Cade posted.
    I understand the crack they show is a result of forging the eye.
    Seen them before.

    But my cracks are on both sides, next to the eye, not down the middle in line with it.

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    rc
     
  19. Sam Cade

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    Negative.

    The "crack" that the GB folks are talking about starts centered at the eye on the beard side and goes forward toward the bit. It is artifact of the manufacturing process.




    RCs axe is just plain old cracked because somebody loved it. :D
     
  20. rcmodel

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    Boy, you got that right!

    The more I mess with it, I'm not sure I love it all that much anymore either!!

    Still, I'm gonna finish cleaning it up, and see if I can somehow make out the writing.
    But I think it is too far gone under the pitting to ever read it.

    rc
     
  21. Certaindeaf

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    Arg! I hear you. I coulda swore they had a pic/referenced a crack just as RC's pic. nevermind
     
  22. Deltaboy

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    Get it welded up.
     
  23. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    I'll weld it myself if I decide to go that far.

    Still pondering it's future.

    A grind Something like this would get rid of the cracks I guess!!

    Except that one is cracked in the eye too. :what:

    Course, it might be early iron-age.


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  24. Certaindeaf

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    I'd like to know who made that also. Plumb and about a thousand others made types like that back then. good luck!
     
  25. rcmodel

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    Yea!
    I'll need it.

    I still think the Heart shaped deep stamp on the right side is the best clue I will ever have.

    I just haven't been able to find any old tool company with a three line address, and a heart shaped logo yet.

    The heart could easily be a obscure & hand-made blacksmiths stamp.

    But the three line address on the other side is too nicely done and too small to be whacked in with a hammer and letter stamps under a shade tree.

    That's the part I want to find out somehow.

    rc
     
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