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JBNAL
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I have experienced 2 explosive failures with CW9 pistol. 1st was at round 7 and the 2nd was at round 50. new factory ammo from different manufactures. Kahr doesn't recommend Winchester White box or Remington ammo in its guns. Kahr CS repaired it and sent it back with a "its ok now" but I have lost any trust in the gun and its for sale.
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I spoke to Joe and Ian at Kahr customer service. Ian was the Kahr employee that stated WWB and Remington Walmart ammo was not recommended by Kahr because its dirty? and they cut costs to sell to Walmart. I have shot both for years without issue and dont personally think its low quality or dirty. The failure was the side plate and extractor blow out, Kahr said it was ammo. I do have the casings from the last failure and they look Ok to me, I am not a casing expert and Kahr didnt want ammo or casings when I returned gun. When I spoke to Ian he asked about the first failure and if I use reloads. I do not reload nor do I use reloads because of past experience. He said that gun looks like a round failure and said to use only quality ammo and we had the referenced discussion above.
I have no reason to lie or slam Kahr. The customer service support I recieved was pretty good. I have lost any confidence in the CW9 and I think that Kahrs higher end poly guns are probably as good as you can get. However, the CW9 is one that I will have much faith in again.
Finally to USP9 and dogtown tom.. Thanks for your kind words.
I have experienced 2 explosive failures with CW9 pistol. 1st was at round 7 and the 2nd was at round 50. new factory ammo from different manufactures. Kahr doesn't recommend Winchester White box or Remington ammo in its guns. Kahr CS repaired it and sent it back with a "its ok now" but I have lost any trust in the gun and its for sale.
Update:
I spoke to Joe and Ian at Kahr customer service. Ian was the Kahr employee that stated WWB and Remington Walmart ammo was not recommended by Kahr because its dirty? and they cut costs to sell to Walmart. I have shot both for years without issue and dont personally think its low quality or dirty. The failure was the side plate and extractor blow out, Kahr said it was ammo. I do have the casings from the last failure and they look Ok to me, I am not a casing expert and Kahr didnt want ammo or casings when I returned gun. When I spoke to Ian he asked about the first failure and if I use reloads. I do not reload nor do I use reloads because of past experience. He said that gun looks like a round failure and said to use only quality ammo and we had the referenced discussion above.
I have no reason to lie or slam Kahr. The customer service support I recieved was pretty good. I have lost any confidence in the CW9 and I think that Kahrs higher end poly guns are probably as good as you can get. However, the CW9 is one that I will have much faith in again.
Finally to USP9 and dogtown tom.. Thanks for your kind words.
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orionengnr
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I pocket carried my PM9 for three years. It allowed me to sell five or six j-frames.
I started carrying my P45 IWB last Spring and carried it until the weather cooled off enough to permit a cover garment. During this all-to-breif season I carried a 1911 or occasionally an N-frame.
By mid-April the temps were back up to 85+. I found myself wearing shorts daily, so the P45 came back out and I've been carrying it mostly in a Smart Carry.
If I find a PM45 for the right price, I will grab it as well.
I started carrying my P45 IWB last Spring and carried it until the weather cooled off enough to permit a cover garment. During this all-to-breif season I carried a 1911 or occasionally an N-frame.
By mid-April the temps were back up to 85+. I found myself wearing shorts daily, so the P45 came back out and I've been carrying it mostly in a Smart Carry.
If I find a PM45 for the right price, I will grab it as well.
Impureclient
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JBNAL: Can you be a little more specific on what the explosive failure was?
IdahoLT1
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JBNAL said:
This is the first ive heard of them saying to stay away from WWB or PMC. Most every warning a gun manufacturer gives is just to make it so they arent liable, with a "we told you" approach. Kahr says +p ammo is ok in their guns and WWB or PMC arent even close to +p pressures. Id blame the ammo before i pointed fingers at Kahr.
Ive owned 2 CW9's and put ~2000rds between the 2 w/out any malfunctions. Ive even shot them with the "hot" 90gr reloads under 9.2gr of blue dot I shoot out of my CX4 Storm for ground squirrels. All that powder burning rapidly out of a short barrel makes one hell of a flash, but still have yet to run into problems.
Kahr is known for excellent guns and for troublesome guns. When they are good, they are very, very good. And when they are bad......
I own four (two polymer, two steel), so don't get me wrong. Three of four have been fine. The bad one (a steel frame K9 no less) has issues that are in the process of being resolved. It is disappointing that they are not as reliable from the get-go as other guns in their price range. But they do offer features (that I want and like) that others simply do not.
These pistols are designed for carrying and exhibit many of the compromises of carry guns over the full size guns. That said, I can shoot each of mine really quite well.
Go over to KahrTalk (a company sponsored forum) and check out the break in procedures and other "getting started posts" posted as stickies.
Go here: http://kahrtalk.com/forum.php
I own four (two polymer, two steel), so don't get me wrong. Three of four have been fine. The bad one (a steel frame K9 no less) has issues that are in the process of being resolved. It is disappointing that they are not as reliable from the get-go as other guns in their price range. But they do offer features (that I want and like) that others simply do not.
These pistols are designed for carrying and exhibit many of the compromises of carry guns over the full size guns. That said, I can shoot each of mine really quite well.
Go over to KahrTalk (a company sponsored forum) and check out the break in procedures and other "getting started posts" posted as stickies.
Go here: http://kahrtalk.com/forum.php
usp9
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A bold statement made with no reference or link to a verifiable source. Sounds suspiciously like a invalid Kahr slam to me.
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I don't own any Kahrs---just seems odd to buy a gun made by a church (Kahr Arms is owned by the Unification Church--one of Rev Moon's sons is CEO.)
Unbelievable mind set ..... look around your home.... you have bought items made by communist Chinese, by the imperial Japs and by the 3rd reich...
Are people nowadays stupid or what? Back to my hide....
Wagon----you don't comprehend very well--I said it was odd to buy a gun made by a church----I gave the specifics by naming the owner of Kahr. I made (nor intended) no negative comment about the Chinese or the Unification Church
Your reference to the Chinese or the 3rd Reich is inappropriate.....
I don't own any Kahrs---just seems odd to buy a gun made by a church (Kahr Arms is owned by the Unification Church--one of Rev Moon's sons is CEO.)
Unbelievable mind set ..... look around your home.... you have bought items made by communist Chinese, by the imperial Japs and by the 3rd reich...
Are people nowadays stupid or what? Back to my hide....
Wagon----you don't comprehend very well--I said it was odd to buy a gun made by a church----I gave the specifics by naming the owner of Kahr. I made (nor intended) no negative comment about the Chinese or the Unification Church
Your reference to the Chinese or the 3rd Reich is inappropriate.....
well that is a stretch
Kahr is owned by Justin Moon, whose father is the Rev Moon of the Unification Church. while Justin may make contributions to his church from his income derived from his company, that is a long reach from the church owning the company...there is an tie with a subsidiary of the Unification Church International holding company, but i would expect a father to help his son set up a company...as he has for his other children
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Kahr Arms is an American small arms manufacturer founded by Kook Jin "Justin" Moon (son of Unification Church founder Sun Myung Moon), who currently serves as CEO and President. It is owned by the Saeilo Corporation (pronounced say-low), a subsidiary of the Unification Church International holding company
for more specifics on how Kahr fits into the Unification Church heirarchy......
http://www.portfolio.com/careers/features/2007/09/17/Unification-Church/index.html
Again, I don't have a problem with the Unification Church--just find it odd that any church is involved in making firearms
for more specifics on how Kahr fits into the Unification Church heirarchy......
http://www.portfolio.com/careers/features/2007/09/17/Unification-Church/index.html
Again, I don't have a problem with the Unification Church--just find it odd that any church is involved in making firearms
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here's a link to an article from the Washington Post about the Kahr linkage
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/Unif35.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/Unif35.html
dogtown tom
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Horsehockey.
It's a shame you wasted your first (and probably only) post by making one of the most absurd comments possible regarding Kahr pistols.
It makes anything else you post suspect.
given the options...i'd rather they made them, than opposed them
NWCP
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My PM9 is well made and my pistol of choice for deep concealment. I have had no issues and would buy another.
WVleo
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Carry My PM9 daily and stopped counting rounds threw it as I'm well beyond 2,000 rounds no failures as of yet. Most have been WWB hardball . Very dependable CCW for Me. Only complaint is the void in the grip . Lots of dust at that loction. I kinda wish Those Harvard Grads that Own/Design/Manufacture Kahr pistols would reverse engineer this problem and produce a plug ( Come on Jin I know You have lint in Your pockets as We all do ). Other than that I think this is a perfect example of American Engineering and production. A man's religion is not My business, nor is it there business that I don't believe in any Entities or gods. Even so last I looked Moonies were not refusing to administer modern medicine to heal/cure a child, molesting Young boys or hijacking planes and crashing into buildings so if any are working for Kahr I can live with that.........WVleo
I bought a CW40 for summer carry about a month ago after looking at the Walther PPS 40. The Walther seemed to be a smoother operating gun in the store, but the Kahr has proved to be a nice weapon during the break-in period. I had one FTF shooting reloaded ammo in the first two magazines through the Kahr. They are STIFF from the factory. After that, operation has been flawless.
It is not a gun for people with large hands. My brother, who has very large hands, tried to shoot my CW40 and could not hold it so that the magazine release was not impacted while firing. I wear a size large glove, typically, and it fits well in my hands.
The trigger pull, as stated by others, is smooth but it is also a long pull. It took some time for me to get a feel for the trigger and shoot consistently.
My only other complaint (illegitimate as it is) is that the magazine only holds six rounds. I say the complaint is illegitimate because I know of no other single-stack .40 caliber that holds more. I bought the gun because of it's slim profile knowing that the profile would limit the number of rounds I could carry.
It is not a gun for people with large hands. My brother, who has very large hands, tried to shoot my CW40 and could not hold it so that the magazine release was not impacted while firing. I wear a size large glove, typically, and it fits well in my hands.
The trigger pull, as stated by others, is smooth but it is also a long pull. It took some time for me to get a feel for the trigger and shoot consistently.
My only other complaint (illegitimate as it is) is that the magazine only holds six rounds. I say the complaint is illegitimate because I know of no other single-stack .40 caliber that holds more. I bought the gun because of it's slim profile knowing that the profile would limit the number of rounds I could carry.
Ala Dan
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I own a Kahr CW-9; as it is an out-standing firearm, in every respect.
Flawless from day one, accurate as any other major manufactuer's
firearms, easy too shoot well, and comfortable for all day concealment.
I don't hesitate too recommend them to anyone looking for a good,
quality self-defense 9m/m handgun~!
Flawless from day one, accurate as any other major manufactuer's
firearms, easy too shoot well, and comfortable for all day concealment.
I don't hesitate too recommend them to anyone looking for a good,
quality self-defense 9m/m handgun~!
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