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Need my first AR-15 advice!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by JackTheRipper, Nov 4, 2010.

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  1. JackTheRipper

    JackTheRipper Member

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    I've been browsing the forums for awhile now and have decided on a few rifles and I wanted to see yalls opinion on them...

    I do like the colt 6920 and 6940...

    I like some of the bushmasters

    and sig sauer and ruger....

    I rather stick with very high quality brands though...

    this will be my first ar-15 and something for protection and just in case the shi* hits the fan...

    plus I need something very fun to shoot and something else to reload :)...

    thanks!
     
  2. Justin

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    Well, what do you specifically want to do with the rifle?

    Saying it's for "fun" or "SHTF" doesn't really tell us very much. What's fun to me may not be fun to you and vice-versa.

    What sort of shooting do you do now that you would like to use an AR15 for?
    What sort of shooting would you like to do that you think an AR might be a good fit for?

    And finally, the odds of using a rifle in a so-called "SHTF" scenario are so vanishingly small that it's really not even worth including as a reason to get a gun.

    If you're looking for a home defense type gun, generally an ar with a 16 inch barrel and either iron sights or some sort of non-magnified optic is the way to go.
     
  3. Zombiphobia

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    what Justin said.

    My suggestion for a good all-purpose AR-15 would be a DPMS Mini-SASS in 5.56, at least it's what I would pick.

    Good for hunting small-medium sized game, target shooting, and with a callapsible stock and red-dot scope it'll make a fine tactical weapon as well and can engage targets out to 600 meters with a good scope, plus they have flip-up iron sights for engagements from 50-300 meters.

    They come with accessory rails too.
     
  4. rskent

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    If I was looking for my first AR, I would have to take a hard look at a Colt MT6400R. I’m sure there are probably better choices out there. And I’m sure the AR experts will let you know what they are. But colt makes a good solid rifle/carbine. You could do a lot worse.
    Having said that, my first AR was a Bushmaster M forgery. It was a great carbine. It has since morphed into pretty much a full on NRA highpower service rifle.
    You gotta love ARs.
    Steve
     
  5. roach4047

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    I'm no expert but I do like my Wilson Combat UT-15 very much though it's probably a bit more expensive than a lot of others that are probably just as nice. I don't know enough about the various brands and how they size up to know what's worth having and what's not so I tend excercise a bit of overkill when it comes to making decisions along these lines. I knew I wouldn't go wrong with anything from Wilson Combat even if I may have paid a premium price for it. I'd rather over pay than under buy so that I ensure myself a quality product.

    Roach
     
  6. jsimmons

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    Check out Spike's, Bravo Company, and Del-Ton.

    Colt is way more expensive than they need to be.

    Whatever brand you get, get a rifle with a mid-length gas system and a full-auto BCG, and a free-floated hand guard.

    I have two AR-15s - a Smith&Wesson M&P15MOE, and a rifle I built from scratch. The S&W is a fine gun, but I shoot my scratch-built more.
     
  7. crossrhodes

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    Good advice

    This was a pleasure to read. I'm impressed it didn't turn out to be a flavor of the month club bashing contest. Any of the rifles mentioned would be fine. I have a Colt, three DPMS's and two Bushy's and the all work fine and have LOTS of rounds down the tube. I have one particular rifle that has over 5000 rounds of Wolf ammo down the tube and hasn't blown up or spit out extractors like all the experts mention. Good advice on getting a full auto BCG the extra weight helps with reliability.

    Have fun and let us know what you get.
     
  8. madcratebuilder

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    Choose a rifle that has the features you want. The original commercial AR15 was by Colt, the rest are clones. Any brand well do OK for most shooters, I wouldn't get to caught up in the "chart". I have a pair of Bushmasters that are fine rifles. If I buy another it well be a ArmaLite or Noveske.
     
  9. G27RR

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    One of the sweet spots in terms of value vs price right now would seem to me to be the S&W lineup. I have an MOE and an ORC model and they are well built and have most of the desireable features on "the chart." If you want extremely good build quality and extremely good accuracy and want to pay twice as much, look at the LaRue OBR 556... mine is simply fantastic.
     
  10. sansone

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    I agree with crossrhods.. these questions often become a "mine is better than yours" thread. Glad to see not happening here. Years ago some companies were selling cast receivers that were much less than milspec. Today you are pretty safe buying new milspec stuff. Brand is less important than it used to be with AR's.. The quality of the barrel will determine how well it shoots beyond 100yds so place attention there
     
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    Six of one, half a dozen of the other, it's all practically the same as long as you stay with a quality manufacturer. Don't forget abount Daniel Defense, Spike's, LMT, etc.
     
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    Decide what features you want on the gun.

    Buy a gun that has those features from a reputable manufacturer.

    AR's are NOT hard to build right.
    Dozens of builders are doing it.

    Once you get to about the $900 mark, you start to pay a LOT more for very little improvement.
    Before you spend a LOT of money for that little bit, ask yourself whether you need it.
     
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    Don't listen to the folks that say "if you buy brand xyz you are paying for the name", in fact you are typically paying for the quality represented in the brand. You don't build solid brand reputation by producing products low on value.
    Colt, Spikes, LMT, BCM, DD are all solid choices with a price that falls in the middle to low middle of the price spectrum. Don't get too hung up on the brand as long as you select a quality manufacturer, find a rifle in the configuration that best fits your intended purpose and enjoy.
     
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    How about building one yourself?

    Order up a stripped lower with the logo/brand of your choice. Get a lower parts kit and put it together. I really enjoyed it and get loads of satisfaction out of shooting a rifle that I put together. AR's really are like Legos, it doesn't take a lot of know-how to put them together. And the $$ you save (~$200 or more) can be put towards an optic or ammo.
     
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    If home defense is its primary function I would go with a battle ready gun.

    Colt, Daniel Defense (DD), Bravo Company Machine (BCM), Lewis Machine & Tool (LMT), Noveske, and Knights Armament Corp (KAC).

    Colt 6920 (the gold standard) is around 1200 bucks. Colt 6520 can be had for around 900-1000. Daniel Defense base models are right at 1k. BCM can be had for under 1K. LMT rifles are around 1200 for base model.

    The 6940 is a good rifle but the monolithic upper really hinders your ability to modify the rifle. Plus its a carbine length handguard and if you find that you want to hold the forend out further, you cant with that.

    Noveske is very nice but you pay more for their barrels. Also come with Troy sights and a Vltor stock. They start around 1500 but give a mil/leo discount.

    KAC rifles are very expensive but have lots and lots of really good upgrades.

    Spikes I have heard good things about but Im still not certain on them yet. Smith and Wesson rifles are good as well.

    Bushmasters have some cutting corners issues, ie... wrong front sight base for flat tops and usually poor staking of the gas key are the big ones. They can be made into serviceable fighting rifle with a little work. My duty gun is a Bushy and its broken on me three times. Fires and cycles reliably though.
     
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    I would never rule out a "shtf" scenario... God forbid something like that ever happening, but it is a real reason I'd like to get the rifle...

    I will mainly use it for target practicing and home defense...

    After having read some more articles and those links (thanks!)

    I think I'm leaning towards the Bushmaster E2S A3...


    thanks!
     
  20. TonyAngel

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    I hear a lot of people wanting to get an AR and talking home defense. It seems to me that home defense means that it's going on within the confines of your home. In this situation where you are likely to be addressing issues in the middle of the night and while groggy, it seems to me that a good .357 revolver near the bed and a Remington 870 not too much farther away would have the HD thing covered.
     
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    I agree with TonyAngel that a quality handgun makes more sense for home defense, or possibly a short shotgun. The AR is a fine choice for many other uses but there are legal issues to worry about when you think about defending yourself in your front yard. Now on a ranch warding off a predator that's a different story.
     
  22. JackTheRipper

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    I'd rather reload .223 than pistol ammo (I am new to reloading and I'm in love with it)...

    a pistol just doesn't seem like it would be fun to go to the range and shoot far off targets with... Besides, they scare the hell out of me! My mom has a 9mm and she wanted me to change her ammo for her yesterday actually, and just handling the dang thing made me very nervous (weird I know, I have just been brought up around and hunted with rifles and shotguns my whole life)...

    thanks for the idea though...
     
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    If you have a handgun in the house, learn how to use it NOW! Then you won't be afraid of it - then teach her how to maintain and use it too!
     
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    A good carbine has many goos atributes that make it a better home defense weapon compared to a handgun.

    1. Easier to make accurate shots with a long gun
    2. Way more powerful
    3. Easy to manipulate a light on the weapon at the ready
    4. A good hollow point or soft point has LESS penetration through building material if you miss.
    5. Easier and faster follow up shots if needed.
    6. Will penetrate body armor if the bad guys have it on.

    Im not saying that a handgun is a bad choice and you always have to evaluate your own situation, skill and experience to find what works best for you.
     
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    i would consider this to be advantage-handgun.

    would i rather defend myself with a carbine? definitely, but most likely the arm i would have available in the middle of the night scenario would be my .45 (because my carbine wont fit in my matress holster)

    the old saying "you use your pistol to get to your rifle" ,,,,, good stuff
     
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