Need new shotguns to research
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sappyg
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Remington's Vmax might be a good place to start.
The evolution of Berettas 3xx series might be interesting. The a300 is considered a direct decindant of the 303.
Check out fabarms xl guns. Highly regarded on other forums.
The evolution of Berettas 3xx series might be interesting. The a300 is considered a direct decindant of the 303.
Check out fabarms xl guns. Highly regarded on other forums.
Panzerschwein
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The UTAS-15 is a cool new shotgun.
Sheepdog1968
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DP-12. Benelli M4.
I should add that the DP-12 is the first shotgun I've seen as an adult that has the potential to replace my Mossberg 590A1 as a home defense weapon. Mostly I like its capacity before a reload would be needed 16 rounds vs 9 is a significant upgrade. My personal approach for home defense is to drop an empty long arm and transition to a pistol. Also, by doing this I don't have to try and figure out if it is a weapons malfunction or it is empty. This decision was based on lots of discussions in classes with Louis Awerbuck. As such the increased number of shotgun rounds has caught my eye. It is highly unlikely I would ever even need 9 rounds of 00 buck but I'd rather have it than not. Hence to your O0, it'd you are looking for something game changing, this might be it.
I should add that the DP-12 is the first shotgun I've seen as an adult that has the potential to replace my Mossberg 590A1 as a home defense weapon. Mostly I like its capacity before a reload would be needed 16 rounds vs 9 is a significant upgrade. My personal approach for home defense is to drop an empty long arm and transition to a pistol. Also, by doing this I don't have to try and figure out if it is a weapons malfunction or it is empty. This decision was based on lots of discussions in classes with Louis Awerbuck. As such the increased number of shotgun rounds has caught my eye. It is highly unlikely I would ever even need 9 rounds of 00 buck but I'd rather have it than not. Hence to your O0, it'd you are looking for something game changing, this might be it.
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danez71
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The benelli and versamax arn't new enough per his last thread.
He wants it to be designed in 2000 or newer and I do believe those guns were already discussed in his previous thread.
Oolong, what's different about this thread vs the other one a week or two ago that went in circles?
He wants it to be designed in 2000 or newer and I do believe those guns were already discussed in his previous thread.
Oolong, what's different about this thread vs the other one a week or two ago that went in circles?
WestKentucky
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Look into the shotguns that started life being tube fed but got a detachable box conversion...then report back, sounds like a really really fun DD or SBS project.
Sovblocgunfan
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That 6/12 revolving cylinder shotgun in the other thread.
I looked up mag fed shotguns it lead me to black aces firearm, which was definitely more interesting than my date. Also I'm already on the six12 mailing list. I wish it would just come out so I can see if it's good or not but it's probably 3 years away.
Sheepdog1968
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Just saw in Anerican Rifleman that Remington has anew semiauto shotgun called V3
The Remington V3 looks like a fantastic shotgun, it doesn't seem that Remington has any plans to create a tactical version.
Maybe shortening the barrel would reduce reliability.
The longer-barreled variants of the Mossberg 930 have fewer problems than the 18.5" models.
Maybe shortening the barrel would reduce reliability.
The longer-barreled variants of the Mossberg 930 have fewer problems than the 18.5" models.
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Oolong: Yeah, it may seem like that. The idea is that threads take on a "life" of their own....you gotta expect that....especially given your habit of asking questions and then pretty much either discounting or ignoring any answers. It is as if you are asking questions in order to show how much you know as opposed to trying to learn something new.
True or not, that kind of thing may well be perceived as dishonest.
To wit:
Shotguns of modern design....there are single shots, multiple barrels, pump guns, semi-autos. The newest of those basic designs is 111 years old.
Changes since then are pretty much cosmetic....how different in real terms is a double barreled polymer stocked pump gun from an Ithaca m37? A tactical semiauto made last month from John Browning's A5. You load them. You cycle a round. You pull the trigger. It goes bang. With an extended magazine you need to load it less.
What makes a modern design?
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From my perspective anything that resembles something used in Vietnam is old but for the purposes of research, a modern gun is one made after the Clinton gun ban, as that is the most recent historically significant event when dealing with private citizens owning guns in America and thus had the most wide spread and lasting effects on gun design. Mind you this is for research not for purchase.
Panzerschwein
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Oolong, are you named after the tea?
I think the SRM 1216 is actually a really interesting shotgun. Look into it.
I think the SRM 1216 is actually a really interesting shotgun. Look into it.
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Modern
In any case, you seem to like bullpups. Check this article:
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shooting/Best-Bullpup-Shotguns
"Made".....manufactured?
In any case, you seem to like bullpups. Check this article:
https://skyaboveus.com/hunting-shooting/Best-Bullpup-Shotguns
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Panzerschwein
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The SRM-1216 is my favorite of the "nu-wave" combat shottys.
Four shots semi auto, bolt locks to the rear. Rotate the clip chambers a new tube. Rinse and repeat 4 times. When you clip is empty, pull it out and put in a new one. 16 shots.
One huge flaw of guns like the UTAS and KSG are that they take FOREVER to reload to full capacity. The SRM-1216 doesn't have that problem.
Four shots semi auto, bolt locks to the rear. Rotate the clip chambers a new tube. Rinse and repeat 4 times. When you clip is empty, pull it out and put in a new one. 16 shots.
One huge flaw of guns like the UTAS and KSG are that they take FOREVER to reload to full capacity. The SRM-1216 doesn't have that problem.
By made I mean designed.
It is interesting.
Cool video on the KushnaPup - I didn't know the Saida could be converted to BullPup, it would be nice if a version for the VEPR were available.
Are those things reliable now?
There were some videos on YouTube highlighting a lot of problems with them...
Are those things reliable now?
There were some videos on YouTube highlighting a lot of problems with them...
sappyg
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What?
I'm sorry I wrote that when I was eating, I just reread it. I looked up that apparently Kalashnikov USA will make saiga 12's, and that a company called Tromix can customize it into a more "user friendly" platform, and that finally, a company called cbrps makes a bullpup stock that wouldn't interfere with the Tromix upgrades unlike the kushnapup stock. Mind you all of that is only is the Skobull turns out to be the Utas of auto shotguns. Furthermore I wanted to comment on the uniqueness of the 1216 design.
I haven't seen this magazine-fed AR-type UTAS before:
https://www.slickguns.com/product/utas-xtr-12-12-ga-5-rd-burnt-bronze-cerakote-85891
I don't really know if it s an "AR-type" shotgun, it just looks like an AR to me
https://www.slickguns.com/product/utas-xtr-12-12-ga-5-rd-burnt-bronze-cerakote-85891
I don't really know if it s an "AR-type" shotgun, it just looks like an AR to me
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