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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by TonyAngel, Mar 9, 2020.

  1. TonyAngel

    TonyAngel Member

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    Hey guys,

    I need some advise.

    I walked away from Glocks a long time ago and went to Kahrs for carry. When the G48 came out, pfft, I was smitten. Almost the exact same size as a kahr with a 15 round mag. Who wouldn’t bite?

    Anyway, I’m trying to make the transition and am at about 800 rounds through the G48 and am no where near close to my accuracy or speed with the kahr. I mean, I can meet my minimum requirement for a carry piece. 3 rounds out of the holster in under 3, but it seems a whole lot like work.

    What’s throwing me off is the trigger on the Glock. It seems to break cleanly, but I’m getting like a vibration through the gun when it breaks. In dry fire practice, even with my firmest grip, when the trigger breaks, the front sight shimmies. Maybe I’m just too used to the smoothness of the kahr trigger.

    I don’t know what to try. All I know is that this will be my carry piece and don’t want to compromise the reliability of the firearm.

    Maybe I’m just not cut out for Glocks, but thought I’d ask.
     
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  2. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator Staff Member

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    You'll never match the smoothness of the Kahr's trigger unless you customize it beyond what you're willing to do
     
  3. LiveLife

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    Review this for shooting Glocks - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ith-this-glock-22.861829/page-2#post-11354402
    And try this - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ith-this-glock-22.861829/page-2#post-11354420

    And consider this - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ith-this-glock-22.861829/page-5#post-11357357

    Check out bottom of this post to improve shooting further - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/my-proposed-recipe-newbie-here.864640/#post-11414962
     
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  4. jmr40

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    I consider myself a "Glock Guy". I like them and tend to shoot them well. But IMO if you want a compact 9mm the Sig 365 is the better option. Mine is the standard version that comes with 10 round mags that I use for IWB carry. I also have some 12 round magazines for it and 15 round mags are available. They also make the 365 XL with a longer barrel and grip that takes the 15 round mags.

    Glocks have a trigger heavy enough for me to be comfortable with even though the guns have no active safety. On the bigger guns I can still manage good accuracy and even then it is a learned skill. If you're used to a very light trigger a Glock is a challenge at 1st.

    The Sigs have a much lighter trigger that makes accuracy easier. They also offer their guns with the option of having a 1911 style thumb safety. On the Sig with the very light trigger pull I prefer the safety. On a Glock it isn't an issue either way.
     
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  5. Rule3

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    Which is why there are so MANY aftermarket triggers and do dads for Glocks:)
    Glocks work but their triggers suck.
     
  6. Paco42

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    I came to my Glocks in spite of, not because of, their trigger feel. When I shoot, say, my old Colt GC NM .45 ACP, I almost weep with the beauty of the trigger. I’ve never shot, or dry-fired, a Glock that comes anywhere close. But yes, with some appropriate effort (and/or maybe with a doo-dad or two), the trigger can be made better. Not great, but better. And the rest of the gun is both very simple and extremely functional. They go bang when I need them to, with more than enough accuracy for what I desire of them. But if I had to take one shot, and only one, at 50 yards+, with accuracy the primary determinant of success? Gimme that Colt. I love ‘em all, but they’ve got different roles.
     
  7. CharliesHammer

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    IMO Glock triggers can be greatly improved with little modification and without a drop in reliability. A minus connector, a 25 cent trigger job and MINOR adjustments to springs can make Major improvements.
     
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  8. TonyAngel

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    Sorry guys. Turns out the front sight I was using allowed some twist. Not readily apparent, but apparently under recoil. I went to a set of plain Jane Trijicons and all is well.

    Well, speed is going to take a little work, but the accuracy is there.

    Appreciate your time guys.
     
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  9. Shipwreck

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    What sight did you have on the gun before you just changed it?
     
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    Is that when the trigger breaks or when the striker bottoms out or hits the primer?
     
  11. TonyAngel

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    It was just an observation during dry fire practice and really couldn't say, now that I think about it. During actual shooting, there's too much going on to pinpoint the sensation. I only know that during dry fire, I don't like it. Maybe it doesn't do it when there's actually a primer under the striker. When I get home, I'm gonna throw and spent cartridge in it and see.

    Yeah, it turned out that with XS sights, the front sight doesn't fit tightly into the hole in the slide. I supposed I didn't use enough loctite to fill the void when I installed it. It wasn't flopping around, but when I actually purposely tried to twist it, it twisted. At five yards it wasn't such a big deal, at 15 to 20 yards, it had me tearing my hair out. I guess I was looking for something to blame and the sensation I was getting from the trigger was all that I could put my finger on.

    There are a couple of handgun designs that I've run across over the years that I just couldn't hit the ground with if I dropped them, like the Beretta 92 and 84 and the Browning Hi Power, but the Glock was never one of those for me. It was driving me crazy.
     
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  12. herrwalther

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    Get a Walther PPQ sub compact. Much better trigger than you will find in a stock, and most custom, Glocks. Grip is 0.2 inches wider and half inch shorter overall. Available in 10 or 15 round magazines with extender.

    https://waltherarms.com/ppq-sub-compact/
     
  13. rskent

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    If it makes you feel any better, I can’t shoot very accurately with XS sights at all. I guess they meant speed over precision.
     
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  14. 9mmepiphany

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    It has been my experience that a those sight contributed more than a little to your frustration. Covering your desired POI with the large front dot limits available precision in shot placement. Combined with that sights design lack of windage feedback only makes a bad situation worst
     
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  15. TonyAngel

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    Actually, I really like the sights. I’m considering reinstalling them and doing a better job. Covering the POA is how you use them at close distances. Less than 15 yards or so. Beyond that, you use them like any other sights.
     
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    I just wanted to follow up on my transition from a Kahr to a G48. I have all of my issues sorted out now and have completed my transition to the G48 using the shield arms 15 rounds mags.

    It appears that I am an old dog and was shooting the Kahr and the 1911 so long that I was spoiled by the triggers and had to relearn the Glock trigger. I did do a few things to help that process...

    First, I got rid of the stock trigger. I got tired of the narrow trigger that pinches. I dropped in an Overwatch Precision DAT Ploy trigger. It's polymer and is very comfortable. It also reduced the pretravel a bit, which was welcome since I have short stubby fingers.

    The next thing I did was to put a Wolff reduced power safety plunger spring in. Wolff makes some good springs and it made a noticeable difference in the way the trigger breaks. I had my apprehensions about doing this, but it appears that the safety plunger is depressed by the trigger bar simultaneously with the point at which the striker is released. The spring isn't overly light but it did smooth out the break of the trigger.

    The last thing I did was to install and overtravel stop. Again, I was apprehensive, but I thought what the heck. Every 1911 I've ever had was equipped with one. Installing the stop made all of the difference in the world. I am no longer getting that sensation of a vibration that I was getting through the trigger and my slow fire groups tightened up drastically with no fliers during my last range trip.

    I did NOT mess with the striker spring or the recoil spring. Those have remained stock. Although I don't feel a significant reduction in pull weight, the trigger is much smoother now and apparently my follow through is where it needs to be.
     
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  18. Buzznrose

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    Congrats Tony. You gave me a few ideas for my G43X in this thread.
     
  19. TonyAngel

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    Good deal. If you go with the overtravel stop, do not adjust it so that you are on the cusp of the trigger breaking. You want a bit of overtravel for the sake of reliability. I also replaced all of my shield arms mad springs with Wolff springs. I’m at 800 rounds with zero malfunctions.
     
  20. Dibbs

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    Sooo, you've got a system (Kahr) which works perfectly, and you're changing it, for NO good reason.

    HOKAY, then ...
     
  21. TonyAngel

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    I wouldn’t say that trading up to 15 rounds from 8 with all other things being equal is no good reason.

    The kahr isn’t without its faults and I shoot it well because I learned how to shoot it. It’ll be the same with the Glock. The mods I did simply served to flatten the learning curve a bit.

    Besides, I was just sharing and not looking for any smart ass comments.
     
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  22. BarryHalls

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    I'll agree with this, however I loathe most of the after market junk people do to them.

    My Glocks are absolutely as smooth as any Kahr and shorter pull, with the factory springs, trigger bar, etc the only parts I replaced I replaced are the over-travel adjustment for the trigger housing (standard housing with a set screw added, I need to drill and tap my second Glock) and the flat face aluminum trigger shoe for less flex and more surface area, and of course the sights. That one is a short, glass smooth, 3.9 pounds with very little creep on the first pull, maybe 1/64", and none on the reset pull.

    Now, it came out of the box advertised as 4.5 and pulling 8 on the lyman digital gauge. I hand stoned it down to the 3.9 pounds and took out any grit and creep after several hours of work and a fair bit of know-how. It's honestly not the kind of work most smiths will do except for good friends. It's labor intensive and the liability of moving that much metal is not attractive.

    That said, most any "glock guy" can get a trigger "about as smooth" as your standard Kahr and 3.5 pounds with a couple spring changes (nothing TOO weak) and a lot of buffing with a dremel or similar.

    I would recommend a Ghost or similar -1 pound disconnector and finding someone to stone and polish the contact surfaces on the trigger bar. 4.5 pounds and smoothness similar to the Kahr should result.
     
  23. BarryHalls

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    I have the same front sight

    I have had good results using grease or vaseline, very thinly over the slide and screw as a release agent and applying a TINY ammount of JB weld on the sight to fill in the hole. After the JB is set, I remove the screw, degrease, apply a TINY amount of locktite and reinstall.
     
  24. TonyAngel

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    I actually considered doing that. I’m glad to know that it works. I like the trijicons but the xs are faster I think for up close. Might just be that I WANT to like the XS.
     
  25. BarryHalls

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    All good things. Well done.

    I would still look into lighter disconnector, no weaker springs, but a lighter pull.
     
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