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Need to make noise without firing a bullet

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by bigun15, Aug 29, 2005.

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  1. bigun15

    bigun15 Member

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    In October, I will be part of a performance at my church. Basically what happens is there's a teenager party and two people come in with guns and kill some people (exhausted yet? Here's the fun part, I was elected to be the shooter). Anyway, I need to find a type of gun that will fire and make a lot of noise without actually firing a bullet (then I go down for murder at 15). We'd prefer it to blow a slide back (pistols only, no rifles) and it needs to be a "cool teenager weapon." A gun that would appeal to a teenager. Right now we have Glocks or the Beretta M9 in mind, but really almost anything would work. The idea of blanks is still up in the air, the people in authority haven't decided yet, but it's not sounding likely. Any ideas?
     
  2. R.H. Lee

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    This in church??? Not a 'traditional' denomination, is it? Use a cap gun. Get one at the toy store.
     
  3. bigun15

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    But it has to be fairly realistic. Part of the point is to scare the audience.

    And just for the record, last year my church did the same kind of thing, but it was a car accident. They showed the teenage crash victim in a hospital room soaked in blood, head to toe. So my church has tolerance for this kinda thing. Also, they're warned ahead of time and kids under 13 can't come in without an adult.
     
  4. mustanger98

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    Well, my dealer has some of these cheapo Jimenez pistols. They have a "gansta" look/feel without going to a Glock's pricetag. 9mm blanks... IIRC, if you need a blank to cycle the slide, you'll need a blank firing adaptor.

    The problem with blanks is there's two or three kinds. I don't know about so-called "stage blanks", but I've seen "safety blanks" demonstrated at Mule Camp and I remember they broke a balloon at 15'. Bill Oglesby said "if that's a safety blank, I don't want to see the other kind". He said more people are injured by blanks than by any other cartridge because they think it's safe because it's not firing a bullet.
     
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    you could get one of those blank fireing guns there like 70 bucks for a full size 1911 in sportsmans guide i think it was.
     
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    Wal-mart sells some Airsoft type pistols with blowback slide action or somesuch. Try firing one of these empty and see if the slide goes back (can't think of any reason why it shouldn't). I seem to recall them being ~$20.
     
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    Performances designed to scare people with fake guns are a bad idea.

    1. Cops come, arrest everyone; or
    2. Someone has a heart attack; or
    3. Someone thinks it's real and pulls a CCW.
     
  8. Greg L

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    So is this performance going to be something along the lines of "thugs are bad, let's do something about them" or "guns are bad, let's do something about them"?

    If it was the latter I would show up the day of the performance with a squirt gun & yell "bang" :rolleyes: .
     
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    Green Gas Airsoft. They make SOME noise and it will Cycle. Might have to hold down the slide release.....OR load up with your favorite 6mm plastic BB's and make em jump when they get shot. Mucho Stingo.
     
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    In that case, I gotta a better idea. Get one of those old toys- the ones where you pull the trigger and the flag pops out and reads "BANG" in, IIRC, big red letters. Yeah, that oughta fix 'em.
     
  11. bigun15

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    First off about the airsoft thing, I have a GBB (gas blow back) M9 already, and they decided it didn't make enough noise. So airsoft is out.

    1. Cops come, arrest everyone; or
    2. Someone has a heart attack; or
    3. Someone thinks it's real and pulls a CCW.

    1.It's a large scale thing, and everyone in the area and probably the police themselves will know about it
    2.We are going to be warning them
    3. It's happening in the PRK. No CCW worries.

    The performance is based on "this is what heaven is like, this is what hell is like." The guns are going to be a small detail of it. The only job I have is to get people to heaven/hell.
     
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    Cap gun seconded.

    You do know that blanks can be deadly at close range, right? And that anything as loud as a real gun may cause real hearing damage too, right? Hopefully the "people in authority" will display some sense! :D
     
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    The blank firing guns you can get from Sportman's Guide or ebay have plugged barrels- there's just a little flash out of the ejection port and some holes up there, but nothing out the barrel.

    Thing is, a full load 9mm or 8mm blank (those Kimar guns use 8mm blanks), as required to cycle even one of those plugged barrel blank guns, is incredibly loud in an enclosed space. My suggestion is to find a revolver and use crimp blanks- you can get those in different loads, down to the little .22 acorn blanks that might as well just be a primer. If you use a real revolver this is still dangerous, and the gun needs to be super-clean and not pointed at anyone. If you use a plugged barrel revolver, you'll be fine, and you can get these in .22 through .38.

    Check westernstageprops.com for examples.

    A chrome Colt Python replica might just fit the bill.


    I do prop weapons rentals for theatre/film, so I work with these things all the time.

    -Kevin
     
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    Another thing- if you really want a semi-auto, I'd go with one of the replicas made by Model Gun Co (MGC) of Japan, or Marushin, or Hudson- they fire these 5 or 7mm caps that go inside reuseable brass cartridge... they get spendy though!
     
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    Just what is a "cool teenager weapon"?

    Why does "probably the police themselves will know about it" bother me so much? Could it be the "probably" part?

    California does issue ccw's. Maybe not alot but they do issue them.

    If the church elders still insist on pulling off such a stupid stunt they better be absolutely sure every one (EVERY ONE) knows it's just church skit.
     
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    Last I heard, there were something like 45,000 CCW permits in CA.
     
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    Cap gun sounds reasonable. Put some electrical tape over the orange muzzle and the audience shouldn't be able to notice.
     
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    More tips, of the sort I usually give indie filmmakers- call the switchboard op shortly before you do the scene. Calling the local precinct is nice, and a non-emergency way to do it, but if the call gets routed to the state patrol, county SO, feds, or some other agency your local PD may not be involved... switchboard is the way to go- just let 'em know you're on private property, not publicly visible, and using only non-guns (assuming that's the case).

    Post signs on the doors- something along the lines of "dramatic presentation in progress- please disregard any loud noises you may be hearing".

    Warn anyone with sensitive ears, PTSD issues, or twitchy trigger fingers and a CCW if possible.

    Don't let the prop be visible from the street if at all possible- transport it in a secure and legal manner, don't stand in front of the church playing with it while waiting for your cue, etc. Should go without saying, but hey, some people's kids, ya know?

    Observe the four rules as much as possible, even though the gun may not be real.
     
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    Are you sure? There are God fearing people who carry even though the state requires them not to.

    The whole idea makes me cringe. Why the fear? Fear belongs in amusement parks where everyone knows darned well that it's for fun. Why the fake gun? Pick something that can't be mistaken for a reason to use deadly force.
     
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    2nded on 8 and 9mm blanks being way too loud for an enclosed space, people will be swearing at you in a very unservice like way if you're going to fire more than 1 shot.. Why does your church care whether its a semi or a revolver ?
    Try something like this....
    http://www.airgundepot.com/blank-gun-power-22-blue-5-sh-4---starter-gun.html

    Some of these companies may be leary of importing guns into Kali tho....
     
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    it really does sound like people there dont realize just how loud a real blank will be, and since for the acting you probably want to point it at your "victim",

    be safe.

    as far as anyone shooting form the crowd- what ? come on , people know they asre entering a play with some idea of the plot, how paranoid are you guys that you might shoot an actor?
     
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    If someone is suprised when a gun is used in a performance, to the point where they will pull a CCW, I question their carrying one.
     
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    I know you're looking for a roomful of BOOM!, but anything with enough energy to do that is inherently dangerous.

    Stage armorer's rule zero:

    Extreme caution is called for. Always.

    You'd be surprised how far the muzzle blast goes, and how much "smutz" is spat out. Prove it to yourself by firing your intended blank gun at a large piece of white paper at the range you intend to use it. That'll probably convince you not to point it directly at your fellow actors.
     
  25. Joejojoba111

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    I'd say the play might reinforce bad notions about guns. Maybe just tell them that this is Cali, and guns are bad, so you're going to beat them to death with a nerf baseball bat instead.
     
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