Negligent Discharge Injury At Denver Gunshow

[jmace57]

It just goes to prove the point to never get complacent. My FFL, who is a long-time gun guy - been dealing with him for years, handed me an S&W revolver he had taken in from an estate that had hired him to dispose of a collection. I'm his S&W go-to guy to ask questions of. It was loaded with .357 hollow-points. I always, ALWAYS check when I am handed any gun. He was very embarrassed.

 

[alsaqr]

Frankly, I'm most of a mind to suspect an 'activist' (terrorist?) doing something to cause a problem than a vendor being so stupid.

With idiots who ignore gun show rules, carry a loaded gun inside and fondle their guns once inside; who needs "activists". A patient of my doctor had an ND in a waiting room while fondling his carry piece. The bullet narrowly missed a nurse in another room.

The vendor took his loaded carry gun inside against gun show rules. You can't fix terminal ignorance or terminal arrogance.

 

[Ignition Override]

Does much of this complacency with safety often correspond to people who have many years of solid experience with guns?

Apparently experience is not a reliable solution to the problem of 'ND's etc.: FFLs, gun show sellers, instructors on Youtube etc.

A guy retired from the post-merger company also forgot to clear his handgun before cleaning (sometimes these Are accidents...).
Ralph had a new baby, lived in Point Clear/Fairhope AL, passed away after about two days in the hospital about twenty five years ago.

 

[wally]

A while back I was at my local FFL to pick up a transfer, the guy ahead of me had brought in an old .25ACP he'd sold and needed transfered. They couldn't get the slide open and asked me if I "knew how" I did -- strong spring, years of gummed up lube, and not a lot of slide to grab made it difficult. You guessed it, out popped a loaded round! The guy looked sheepish and surprised, the dealer thanked me profusely.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

ALWAYS assume EVERY gun is loaded

ALWAYS check it to be totally safe yourself

sorry to hear others did not follow these 2 very simple rules

This is why I don't like ties.

The accident at a recent SAR show was caused by a vendor (outside the SAR tent) selling a loaded firearm, the tie preventing the buyer (and his friend who was an seller in the SAR tent) from properly inspecting it. The gun fired when the tie was cut. I believe it was a direct shot not a ricochet, so the person cutting the strap did violate rule 2 (not that rule 2 applies when working or exhibiting a gun--a gun laying flat on a table points at many people) but rule 2 should have been followed until the check was complete.

Mike

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

Since every gun show I've been too has signs everywhere that say "No concealed or loaded firearms allowed", the gun was illegally brought into the show, meaning he lied to the officers at the checkpoint.

 

[Ignition Override]

At today's Germantown/Memphis TN show, I easily noticed a nib Century WASR or RAS with no tie.

And a guy eating at the rear hot dog stand had two handguns on a table, one with No zip tie. This was about 2:00.

I told a staffer working the entrance table the general locations. He seemed to be interested in having something done about it, but I was walking out, bored with the very limited selection in AKs and milsurps.

 

[larryh1108]

The gun fired when the tie was cut.

The ties I've seen go thru the action and/or barrel to prevent a round from being chambered. How can a loaded gun be tied?

 

[JONWILL]

I was at a flea market. Had a guy pocket carrying a Sig 938. Pulled it out to show me. Didn't clear it or tell me it was loaded. It has to have the safety taken off to retract the slide. Pulled back and it had one in the chamber. Dropped the magazine and ejected the chambered round. Worst thing was he was a retired cop.

 

[jhansman]

No idea why a vendor would be handling a loaded firearm inside the show..

There is, unhappily, no limit to human stupidity. I watch people do the dumbest things at the range, stuff that could get people killed or wounded, and the "rangemaster" is staring into his phone. And glad to see the OP used "ND" and not "AD." No such thing as the latter.

 

[.455_Hunter]

And glad to see the OP used "ND" and not "AD." No such thing as the latter.

While I would agree that most inadvertent discharges are negligent, some are still accidental, such a piece of chipped rail getting caught in the sear of a 1911 causing the gun to fire when the safety was released. How is that the operators fault?

 

[jhansman]

While I would agree that most inadvertent discharges are negligent, some are still accidental, such a piece of chipped rail getting caught in the sear of a 1911 causing the gun to fire when the safety was released. How is that the operators fault?

I'll amend my statement to say that in my experience every firearm I've witnessed discharge against the shooter's will or desire was negligent (including my own, unfortunately). Mechanical failures not withstanding, human error is by far a greater contributor to injury and death. The scenario you depict testifies to the notion that as the number of moving parts increases, so does the rate of failure. It's just one of the reasons I shoot wheelguns.

 

[Hokkmike]

I have seen a great disparity in the way that various sellers pick up and hand their weapons, especially handguns, to me. At the least I expect the magazine to be dropped and the slide opened to show an empty chamber but that often doesn't happen.