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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by red rick, Apr 29, 2013.

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  1. red rick

    red rick Member

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    I joined another gun forum and like most it cost me money.

    I found this used/unfired Arsenal SAM7R at a price that I could not resist and it was local.
     

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  2. Piratesailor

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    Nice find!
     
  3. arizona_cards_11

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    Great find! I purchased my Arsenal SAM7R-61 from K-Var not too long ago and finally got to shoot it this weekend. It was nice.

    My sights are a tad off...so I've ordered a front-sight tool. Hopefully I'll get to shoot some groups soon. I'm also going to put some wood furniture on it.
     
  4. red rick

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    I plan on putting wood on mine also.

    I looked at Iron Wood Designs. Do you know a better place to get wood furniture ?
     
  5. arizona_cards_11

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    I looked at the Iron Wood options as well....the 6-8 week waiting period was a little beyond my patience.

    The only other place I could find (what looks like) a decent double tanged Bulgarian stock set was Northridge Inc.

    http://www.northridgeinc.com/store/index.cfm/c168/i1430

    They're used/surplus, so they probably aren't in pristine condition. That sort of thing doesn't bother me on an AK variant. If I decide to re-finish the set, I could always do that later. The price wasn't too bad either.
     
  6. bigdaa

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    Milled. Mmmmm mmmm tasty.
     
  7. red rick

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    Wouldn't the ones from northridgeinc make it non compliant ?
     
  8. Girodin

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    I'm still yet to hear what functional benefit a milled receiver truly offers. They do weigh more though.
     
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    Functionally they operate the same. I found the Milled versions I had were more stable under recoil allowing follow on shots faster recovery. They are quieter, too as they are plain old rock solid not being "pinned together".

    These are only my observations. I can say more but then I would be speculating.

    I've had 3 stamped and two milled. My Bulgarian milled was the very, sweetest of them all. The Hungarian stamped, the sweetest of that variety.
     
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    I believe you'd have to replace 2 Bulgarian parts with US made parts.
     
  11. Girodin

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    How did you measure this?

    What was the relative difference?

    What muzzle devices, if any, were on the guns in question?

    Have you tested the difference with guns wearing any of the particularly effective brakes?

    Quieter in what sense? When fired? When carried around? When manually cycled? I'm not sure what exactly you are asserting?
     
  12. -v-

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    Giordin: My guess is it has to do with the milled AK's being heavier, thus they are more stable while shooting, and as for quieter, they probably don't resonate as much as the stamped receiver guns due to different harmonics of the receiver due to thickness - in regards to the sound of the action.

    All that said, I do prefer stamped AK's as well. I'll take the lighter weight, and while the milled has more absolute durability, they have the same relative durability.
     
  13. Girodin

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    That would be my thought as generally a heavier gun has less muzzle rise and/or felt recoil. I'm interested to hear what the actual difference in quantifiable terms was though and to hear the process for determining it and means of measuring it. These seem like important things to know to evaluate the claim as well as to be able to consider whether the weight and price penalty of a milled gun are a good trade for it.

    That is a point that I think a lot of folks touting milled guns fail to account for.
     
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    It's 6 of one, and all that jazz.

    You can do a Spetsnaz Push-up with either.:)
     
  15. Inebriated

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    Milled guns always feel better in the hands.

    They've never demonstrated themselves to be anymore accurate or reliable, in my limited experience with them, though.
     
  16. bigdaa

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    You must be looking for lab results that I'm not capable of supplying.

    Like I said: "Milled. Mmmmm mmmm tasty." They are sweet.


    and: "These are only my observations."

    Take them with whatever condiment you choose.

    Guns and Bikes share a commonality in my heart: I've never met one I didn't like to shoot or ride.


    PS......................no brakes on any of the guns I owned here in California. Somehow they were considered voodoo or bad political mojo or something.
     
  17. red rick

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    +1 bigdaa, I will be riding tomorrow.

    I really like the feel of my milled AK. It feels like a quality firearm and 8lbs. doesn't feel heavy to me. Maybe because I am use to holding up a 730 lb. bike.

    I just ordered 2 Circle 10 mags for it Thursday.
     
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    If I can pull my head out and finish my maintenance on my ZX10R, so shall I. So shall I!

    Keep the rubber side down.
     
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    I'm hardly looking for lab results, I am asking what is the basis of the opinion. If I say I shoot my 5.56 AR faster than any of my 7.62x39 AKs, someone could fairly ask how I came to that position. I could in turn say that I know that because I have measured my times on similar courses of fire with a shot timer. That is hardly a lab result, but is also a very very far cry from a baseless assertion.

    I'm not even trying to disagree with your observations. I would simply like to understand what it is you are actually trying to assert and what you base those assertions on.

    Lots of people on here like to make lots of assertions and claims. A shocking number of them seem to get annoyed at anyone asking them the basis. Perhaps because they don't want to admit their claims aren't really based on anything quantifiable? I don't know.
     
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  20. red rick

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    Girodin do you have an AK, or are you looking to get one ?
     
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    I have a double digit number of AKs. I have also parted ways with some AKs I used to own. I likely will buy more AKs. That said, I don't own nor have I shot every variant available let alone in the various configurations all those guns could come. Further, I am always interested in other peoples opinions on them. Although I tend to place a lot more stock in some opinions than others. I like to hear what people think, its just nice to know what they are basing it on and what they really mean.
     
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    Well, giro, share up.
    You must have some valuable observations on the type and I would like to hear them.
     
  23. Girodin

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    Are you asking a specific question or for a general opinion? Or are you just ducking the questions of what you were basing your statements on and how you quantify the difference?

    You said a milled gun allows faster follow ups. Is, "what is the difference" really a difficult question? Is it so hard to say how you measured the difference or to simply state that you didn't measure it in any way and it is just the sense you get shooting. Why talk in circles?
     
  24. red rick

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    Count me as one of the annoyed ones now.

    I was giving you the benefit of not owning an AK and looking for one. You own enough to have a opinion on it, not that I care what your opinion is.

    I bought a milled receiver one because that is what I wanted. It just feels like a better quality rifle to me. The milled receiver puts the weight in the center and I like that feel and balance. The first thing my brother said when he picked it up was " that is the best feeling AK that I have felt ".
     
  25. SabbathWolf

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    Milled receivers flex less and generally tend to be more accurate. But....that only counts when you don't have a POS barrel on it.
     
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