I've never seen any real evidence that milled guns are more accurate than stamped ones on account of the milled receiver. I've never seen anything that would suggest that the barrel isn't really the factor at play the most. It has been my experience that stamped guns will shoot groups just as good as milled guns when both have decent barrels an other factors (such as ammo and sights/optics) are comparable. Many milled receiver builds have better barrels than some stamp gun builds.
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You're annoyed that I want to understand what he is actually saying and be able to evaluate the basis for it? Hmmm interesting. Is your brother Jim fuller or sonny P or someone else with a broad experience with aks such that anyone here should be impressed by his comment or what he thinks? Look at what the people really experienced on aks often choose to have built for them at great expense.
If some one wants a milled gun, good for them. If they are going to make a factual assertion on the other hand it's not to much to ask that they have even a mustard seed of evidence to support it, is it?
If some one wants a milled gun, good for them. If they are going to make a factual assertion on the other hand it's not to much to ask that they have even a mustard seed of evidence to support it, is it?
Inebriated
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Now that would be cool...
aka108
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You will love the Arsenal AK. I bought a SA M7S about10 or 12 years ago with a Kobra red dot sight. Very enjoyable thing to use on the range.
I do not know why a guy got mad at girodin he was asking a reasonable question and I think what riled some is when he said people make statements without no backup and I say he is right. I remember a guy testing aks and said the stamped ones last longer because they can flex a little
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Well, it's been my experience that milled guns are more accurate. So....whatever.
Which guns specifically are you comparing or do you have experience with? I'm not questioning your experience. Rather, I think that milled receiver guns are often builds that have better barrels than a lot of the stamped guns out there. I think you will find that the better built stamped guns (veprs, saigas, etc) give up nothing to milled guns in terms of accuracy. That is my experience and I have never seen anything credible to suggest it is unique. Builds with old parts kit barrels or other questionable barrels that is a different matter. In sum, I totally believe you have experienced milled receiver guns shooting better. However, I still believe there is little to suggest that a milled receiver gun is per se more accurate than a stamped gun. I also would really question what accuracy difference is going to actually show up for anyone when shooting with wolf ammo, open sights (or even a 4 MOA dot RDS), from field positions. I know that some of my guns (not just talking AKs here) are more accurate from the bench with particular ammo. Run cheap ammo, and shoot from field positions and often any difference doesn't show up because there are other limiting factors at play at that point.
SabbathWolf
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I suppose you could argue about it all day when throwing in 100 different variables like that.
But in general, off the shelf quality milled guns are more accurate.
Saigas and VEPRs do shoot quite well though.
But in general, off the shelf quality milled guns are more accurate.
Saigas and VEPRs do shoot quite well though.
Inebriated
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I've had a test in mind for quite some time on how to test the accuracy of milled vs. stamped. The tools, time, and money have prevented me from doing it. Girodin, if you're truly interested in testing them, I'd be glad to share my ideal method.
My guess is that any truly meaningful test would require a statistically meaningful number of receivers of each type, a decent number of barrels, and swapping barrels between receivers of each type. I won't lie, I have no interest in spending my time swapping even a single barrel between one receiver of each type and certainly not taking the additional time to do what would be required to make the results even approach being something meaningful. I think it would be an interesting test. However, not interesting enough for me to dedicate my resources and limited time to it. With the warm weather I'd rather spend my free time on my boat, riding my motorcycles, riding my horses, or attending more training courses (I'm hoping to get a HSP pistol class and perhaps a Vickers class in this year). Any AK time I can muster is already spoken for with a pending suppressed SBR 7.62x39 project I have begun. Maybe one of the people who likes to spend their free time making videos for their youtube channels would take it up. As I said, it would be interesting. Sadly most people probably don't have the ability to pull and install barrels, even if they did have the other resources to do it right.
I'm content to say that I have never seen any milled gun shoot consistent groups that I have not seen equaled by stamped guns. That, among other reasons, is why I don't think that a milled receiver per se gives a more accurate gun.
Inebriated
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Precisely.
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bigdaa
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All AK's I owned or own are full up factory fresh guns, or were that way before I defiled the with copious ammo allotments.
It is safe to say that the heft of the milled is a more stable platform with these guns being equal (NHM-91 Is RPK) which mine were. No brakes, no flash suppressors, no additions.
Firing standard the heft of the milled (Norinco or Arsenal (Bulgarian)) these guns whacked the shoulder less and settled fast. Sure the weight would come into play while exhausting a 30 round mag at a round every 2 or 4 seconds.
I did have an easier time hitting soda/beer cans at 100-150 yards with the milled guns.
Like I said, that's my impression.
I'd love to have another milled version, but correct me if I am not mistaken, the rifles available from the suppliers are all parts guns, aren't they?
Heck, the point is moot......I live in California and the days of ownership are numbered.
One thing is definite: My money is on a Factory milled being more accurate than a factory stamped everything being equal. There is more play in a stamped system than milled.
Reliability I can't say, but the AK track record across the board speaks for itself.
It is safe to say that the heft of the milled is a more stable platform with these guns being equal (NHM-91 Is RPK) which mine were. No brakes, no flash suppressors, no additions.
Firing standard the heft of the milled (Norinco or Arsenal (Bulgarian)) these guns whacked the shoulder less and settled fast. Sure the weight would come into play while exhausting a 30 round mag at a round every 2 or 4 seconds.
I did have an easier time hitting soda/beer cans at 100-150 yards with the milled guns.
Like I said, that's my impression.
I'd love to have another milled version, but correct me if I am not mistaken, the rifles available from the suppliers are all parts guns, aren't they?
Heck, the point is moot......I live in California and the days of ownership are numbered.
One thing is definite: My money is on a Factory milled being more accurate than a factory stamped everything being equal. There is more play in a stamped system than milled.
Reliability I can't say, but the AK track record across the board speaks for itself.
bigdaa
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I would like you to re-read this post of yours the next time you feel that you have to go out and get all over a poster for their comments on their particular likes in guns and their general feel for them for having shouldered and shot them.
Milled guns are sweet and beautiful as an AK can be. It's truly an "Eye of the Beholder" concept, and guys love solid guns, Yes?
Gordon
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I too live in **** and my pre ban registered asshalt rifle Hungarian M85 underfolder fits in my Roadking saddlebag
bigdaa
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I have the Hungarian SA85 in thumbhole version.
Yours is the real deal, Gordon.
Yours is the real deal, Gordon.
justice06rr
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Congrats on the new AK!
GunsBlazing
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Great looking Arsenal! I'm looking to get one myself, I'm just not willing to pay the ridiculous prices they've been going for lately. I'll sit on the sidelines until the price gouging recedes.
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