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New "Armor Piercing" Ammo Legislation Being Considered

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Torian, Jul 2, 2013.

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  1. Torian

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    The teflon-coated bullet quote I have bolded in the paragraph tells you everything you need to know and worry about in this worthless AND dangerous piece of legislation.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/new-armor-piercing-ammo-legislation-might-outlaw-nearly-all-rifle-ammunition
     
  2. 316SS

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon


    They don't even bother to make their lies remotely plausible.

    Edit: "Cop killer bullets" were developed by law enforcement and began production in the 1960s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon-coated_bullet
     
  3. dogtown tom

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    Amazing.
    The writer has not read the actual legislation?

    Why would you post a link to such nonsense?
     
  4. Torian

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    Perhaps because the sponsor of the bill has already put out a press release on the legislation, which gives insight into her understanding, or lack thereof, of 2nd amendment issues. If she is directly involved in writing the text of the bill, it is helpful to understand her mindset and rationale.

    If you think we are going to have time to act once the text is finally released, you might want to ask Nancy Pelosi how much time she thinks Congress needs to read a bill before they vote on it, or whether they even need to read it to vote on it for that matter.

    Anytime we analyze what a politician says in regards to 2nd amendment rights, it is not a wasted effort, nor is it "nonsense" as you say. Once the actual text of the bill is posted, I will link it on this thread.
     
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  5. Apuuli

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    Just to be clear, Pelosi was talking about the Senate needing to vote on and pass a bill before the specific contents of the bill would be set and final. Until a bill is passed, it is still changeable and therefore no one can say what will be or won't be in the final version. Until it's passed by the Senate, there's little point in discussing the differences between the House's version and the Senate's version. The text of the original bill was LONG available when she spoke those words, in spite of what the internet will tell you.
     
  6. Torian

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    The idea that you can't or shouldn't discuss the implications of what you are voting on, until you've already voted to pass it to the House, is an absurdity pushed by career, multi-term politicians (from both sides) who've forgotten why they are there, and who they serve / represent. I expect politicians to do their job, not do what is easier or more convenient for them.

    That said, I'd prefer to not go down the Obamacare route, and keep this focused on 2nd amendment issues.

    I regret even bringing it up dangnabit! :)
     
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    Well crap... Just when I was going to start reloading Teflon.
     
  8. dogtown tom

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    No sir, its complete nonsense to get folks wound up over a press release on mystery "legislation".

    Even now there are hundreds of nutjobs writing and posting about all the secret anti gun legislation embeded in Obamacare.......yet not one has been able to provide a citation.

    The "article" and "writer" you quote and link to makes no attempt to report facts.........he invents his own. This taints (if not absolutely destroys) the credibility of that writer.

    Legislation isn't secret. Once filed, its a matter of public record.
     
  9. Apuuli

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    Pelosi, the then Speaker of the House, was not saying senators shouldn't discuss the bill or its implications before voting on the bill, she was not addressing the Senate. She was saying that it's better to wait for the Senate's bill to be passed in its final form before the American people in general started debating the specifics.

    This was in response to political games concerning what was in the bill that encouraged strong visceral reactions to the bill in its entirety based on wild stories and misrepresentations of specifics that were never in any version of the bill or might not be in the final bill. She was essentially saying that it's best to discuss things when all the information is in rather than on speculation.

    However, I do agree that we should get off healthcare and stick to more appropriate subjects! :)
     
  10. Torian

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    Dogtown tom: this is her press release posted by her office...I have no idea what you are getting worked up about, nor did anyone bring up conspiracy theories about antigun legislation in Obamacare. The article I originally linked was based on it...and here is:

    http://speier.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1105:congresswoman-jackie-speier-introduces-two-gun-safety-bills-including-the-child-handgun-safety-act-&catid=1:press-releases&Itemid=14

    Seems pretty clear to me what the intent is of this bill...a very dangerous infringement on 2nd amendments rights. Almost every high velocity rifle round with a FMJ profile is capable of defeating some level of body armor, whether it is steel core or not. There is no mystery to be had, unless the press release is outright deception. Let's assume, for the sake of giving her the benefit of the doubt, that she is being honest about the bill and her intentions.

    I hope we are done talking about Obamacare, conspiracy theories, and nutjobs. I'd like to stay on topic!
     
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  11. Frank Ettin

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    Unless/until the bill is actually introduced and the actual text is available, this is all idle speculation. And a bill being introduced is a still a long way from being enacted.

    It's pretty much a waste of time to discuss a self-serving, attention grabbing press release.

    When there's a bill in play it might be useful to discuss its exact terms and the political maneuvering as it works its way through the process.
     
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