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New BATFE Black Powder Requirement?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by NukemJim, Nov 4, 2012.

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  1. NukemJim

    NukemJim Member

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    Picked up a pund of 4F yesterday for my muzzle loader and had the store make a copy of my ID (I live in Illinois so it was my FOID). I've purchased there before and this was not done so I asked and was told that this was a new BATFE requirement (NOT state).

    This sounds like BS to me does anyone know?

    Thank you

    NukemJim
     
  2. Midwest

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    It is NOT a BATFE requirement. It must be either a store or state requirement because FOID's are NOT required in other states except in NJ and Mass.
     
  3. Jeff White

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    The FOID act doesn't address components or black powder.

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapterID=39

    It might be a local ordinance or the gun shop's own policy.
     
  4. Kyle M.

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    Must be an IL thing I just purchased a pound of Goex FFG, along with 2lbs. of Hodgdon BL-C(2) about 40 minutes ago and didn't go through any such thing. Apparently the state of IL now believes that anyone buying black powder is a terrorist meaning to make a bomb.
     
  5. Cosmoline

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    I have noticed that the local shop selling real black powder does keep a tally of what's going to whom. It looks informal, but it could well be related to monitoring explosives sales.
     
  6. Jeff White

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    Can you point me to the Illinois law that says that?
     
  7. Kyle M.

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    Sorry I meant to be sarcastic which is hard to imply with text.
     
  8. W.E.G.

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    When the "DC Sniper" (may he rot in hell) was on his murder-spree, I had the counter employee at the Sports Authority in Alexandria, VA, demand to copy all the identifying information from my drivers license into a ledger when I bought shotgun shells there.

    He said the BATF was "requiring it."

    A complete lie.
    I don't doubt it though that some law enforcement agency browbeat them into doing it.
     
  9. Trent

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    The IL State Police FAQ lists this, which makes some (uninformed) dealers think that black powder, itself, requires an FOID.

    Only the weapon is regulated. Not the components.

    This is further defined here (as summarized):

    http://dnr.state.il.us/mines/bed/explosive.pdf

    Technically, LEGALLY, if you have more than 25 pounds of smokeless or more than 5 pounds of black powder (pyrodex is not black powder):

    While I've never, ever heard of them enforcing this on an individual... it is technically a Class 3 felony to violate the storage conditions without a license (over 25 pounds of smokeless or 5 pounds of black powder).
     
  10. Trent

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    Storing black powder in IL:

     
  11. Ultravox

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    Minnesota state law says that you have to provide ID and the seller has to record it if you are buying more than five pounds of black powder.

    That said, when I bought one pound at Track of the Wolf they took down my information anyway.
     
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