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New BCM 14.5 EAG

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by DAdams, Jan 6, 2011.

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  1. DAdams

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    This is my first AR. I researched the topical matter for a number of months including numerous Forums and the opinions of many.
    This included the pros and cons of DI and Piston, and including even caliber
    5.56 vs 7.62. The caliber part I justified with the versatility of the 5.56 lower being able to accomodate a 6.8 upper at some point, maybe.

    I looked at virtually every Manufacturer's products and models from entry level to off my budget radar.

    Here's what I ended up with and and I am extremely pleased with how it turned out. Two of my main criteria were length, weight and balance.

    BCM was great to do business with.

    Upper BCM 14.5 midlength and this is where most of the money went. I think I could have done well for less, but this is what I wanted. ;)

    E.A.G. Tactical Upper Half Package Includes:
    BCM® 14.5" Mid Length Gas BFH (Cold Hammer Forged) Barrel (w/ perm A2X™ Flash Hider)
    BCM® HPT/MPI Bolt Carrier Group (auto profile)
    BCMGUNFIGHTER™ Mod 3 Charging Handle
    LaRue Tactical 9" Tactical Free Float Handguards
    TangoDown SCAR Panel Covers
    Troy Ind/BCM Rear Folding Battle Sight
    1:7 Twist
    Slip2000 EWL & 725 Cleaner

    BCM4 Lower Receiver Group

    Machined from Aluminum Forgings 7075-T6
    Hardcoat Anodizing: MIL-A-8625F, Type III, Class 2
    Chrome Bore and Chamber
    BCM® Milspec 7075-T6 Receiver Extention
    Vltor Stock
    Staked M4 Lock Nut
    USGI H Buffer (1 USGI Tungsten, 2 Steel)
    Magpul MOE Enhanced Trigger Guard
    Low Shelf for RDIAS installation
    Low Shelf for Accuwedge use
    Un-notched Hammer compatible with 9mm use
    Fire Controls marked SAFE and SEMI

    The upper a lower are extremely well crafted and fit together like they both came from BCM and were made for each other. $1625.
    I bought 6 MagPul magazines with Ranger bases.

    I need a sling, EOTechs and some range weather.

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  2. Dionysusigma

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    Nearly identical to what I'm building. Good work! :)
     
  3. DoubleTapDrew

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    Nice! You skipped the baby steps AR and went straight to the good stuff!
     
  4. C-grunt

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    That is a fantactic rifle you got there. Cant go wrong with BCM. Get some good time on the irons before you add a red dot and you might be surprised at how well you do with them.
     
  5. MrCleanOK

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    You did good!
     
  6. Z-Michigan

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    I agree.

    Also, you may determine that you instead want an Aimpoint, or something else completely. EOTech makes a good sight, but it's rather large and heavy, battery life is about 1/10 or less that of an Aimpoint, and the holographic reticle can look fuzzy. This is all coming from someone who owns two EOTechs and zero Aimpoints, of course.

    6 mags is barely a starting point if you start practicing, or just want spares.

    Do some research on slings, but chances are you will want one of the Vickers, VTAC, or Spec-Ops brand slings.
     
  7. kwelz

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    VERY nice build. And very similar to my most recent build. Mine was a Daniel Defense but you may as well flip a coin between the two for quality.

    If I could make one suggestion for a change. I would ditch the Rail panels. They are pretty thick and can be difficult to hold for extended periods of time unless you have huge hands. Check out Magpul XT or XTM panels. A bit thinner and lighter.

    But that is just my personal opinion. regardless you have a great gun there that will serve you well in pretty much any situation.


    I second most of what Z said. I too prefer Aimpoint over Eotech. Although I would suggest getting one sooner a opposed to later.

    He is also correct on the Slings. Do some research but chances are you will end up with a Vickers, VTAC, or similar.
     
  8. Grunt Medic TXARNG

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    Don't overlook the ability of the AR platform to run COMBLOC surplus, including both 7.62x39 and 5.45x39. Any issues with registering your SBR?

    I use and like the ladder style low profile rail covers, as I have somewhat smaller hands.
     
  9. kwelz

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    Grunt medic he doesn't have an SBR. He had an A2X pinned to make it legal.
     
  10. Grunt Medic TXARNG

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    Thanks - that answers my question exactly.
     
  11. Z-Michigan

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    I would also second the suggestion for ladder style rail covers. The thinnest and lightest option. As far as I can tell, ALL ladder rail covers are made by Falcon/Ergo, just sold by 5 different companies. The ones sold by Daniel Defense (which are marked Ergo on the back) tend to be least expensive, at least via Midway USA.

    Oh, and don't rush out to install a VFG or AFG until you've used it enough to know whether you actually want such a thing. They have their merits, but they are not an automatic must-have.
     
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    One other thing I do and recommend - I put ladder rail covers on ALL exposed rails, to protect both them and my hands from damage. Some of those rails are SHARP!
     
  13. HGUNHNTR

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    You may also want to look at a different grip........nothing wrong witht he stock version, but many folks find some aftermarket versions to be much more ergo freindly.
    Nice set up.
     
  14. DAdams

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    Interesting thread.

    http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=50511

    BCM Filthy 14 Article from Swat Magazine.http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/filthy14_oct10.pdf

    Thanks for the comments. Definitely will be doing some follow-up on your recommended items.

    Any slings that standout above the rest? Single point? Double?

    Good source for range mags?
    Someone suggested an EBR (evil black rifle, evil black revolver thread).


    Definitely will do the ladder rail covers.

    Certainly will shoot with the irons first.

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  15. kwelz

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    VCAS 2 point sling. I prefer the Padded version myself.

    Look at the pictures and videos from an Advanced class. 90% of the people will be using one. I like to call that a Clue. :)

    I prefer PMAGs. But there is nothing wrong with quality USGI Mags as long as they have Magpul followers.

    Good deal. But make sure you use what works best for you.

    By the way, if you think that thread is impressive do a google search for Filthy 14.
     
  16. Slvr Surfr

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    I would throw another hat into the sling ring for the Magpul MS2. Designed to be used as a single point and also a two point. MP is supposed to be coming out with the third gen sling sometime soon.

    To the OP: Nice rifle, it looks like a real shooter. My upper should be here from BCM in the AM.
     
  17. kwelz

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    I would steer people away from the MS2. I tried them out and there are a couple of problems with them.

    The Quick release can be a bit to easy to release. Gun go Splat.

    They are also really thin and can twist. Trust me after carrying it for a few hours you feel like you are being cut in half. I like the idea of a Single point/2 Point convertible sling but feel that the MS2 and the MS3 both come up short.
     
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    How about the MagPul AFG (angle forward grip)?
     
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    Works for some people but not for others. I prefer a stubby VFG but am comfortable with the AFG as well.

    With a lot of gear like Grips and VFGs it comes down to what works best for you. Some people like MOE grips but I find them uncomfortable for long term shooting. Some like VFGs, others don't. ETC, ETC.
     
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    +100 to post #19

    I also find that the AFG only works well if it's mounted fairly far out. The very end of your 9" rail is likely to be just barely far enough unless you have short arms. It works better out in the 10-12" range depending on arm length and shooting style.

    The Magpul AFG and RVG are fairly inexpensive if you just want to try them out, but I'll reiterate that they may or may not end up being useful to you.
     
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    Interesting observation, and my arms are 32-33 so I may leave it alone for awhile. Felt pretty darn good the way it is.
     
  22. kwelz

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    Good idea. Here is something I have discovered. A lot of things seems like they would work great for you when you plan a weapon system.

    But as you get trigger time and really learn what you are doing then you will start to change things. The current configuration of my weapon has developed from what I am finding works and doesn't work for me.

    I am considering a longer rail right now. Because 9 inches is really to short for my preferred grip. But for some people a 7 inch rail works fine.
     
  23. Z-Michigan

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    I've gone from conventional handguards, to VFG on MOE, to VFG on quadrail (because the MOE was too loose), to AFG on quadrail, and am now trending back toward conventional plastic handguards with no additional grip, except one rifle with a 12" DD quadrail that will likely keep an AFG, and an M4gery that will keep a VFG because those 7" handguards are too short to get a good grip (IMHO) with either an AFG or no added grip.

    I was rather interested when I watched a USMC officer at a 2-gun competition a couple months ago using no add-on grip (neither vertical nor AFG), just some paracord wrapped around a 15" free float tube. He finished first that day by a substantial margin, against some really impressive shooters, many of them also current or ex-military and including two national class trainers as well as a number of local instructors. It was a really good reminder that skill is more important than gear. The rest of the gun was high-end stuff so I'm 100% sure he had the money for any grip he would have wanted.

    This is not to say that there's anything wrong with using a VFG or AFG if it really works for you, just to say that neither one is necessary to being a good shooter.

    I think the AFG is a great concept, but I think its size when added to any common handguard can undermine the ideal grip. And I actually think the AFG2 is worse in this respect than the original, even though it is shorter in length and looks trimmer. If someone could make a handguard with that sort of grip completely integrated, so it didn't increase the effective height and diameter, I think that would generally be a bit superior to just a straight tube handguard, at least for many shooters.
     
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    I suggest you look here: http://www.blueforcegear.com/ for slings and other web gear. VERY high quality, fair prices and excellent service.

    Personally, I like their Simple Sling.
     
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    Just to avoid any confusion - Blue Force Gear makes and sells the Vickers sling, which is also referred to as the VCAS (Vickers Combat Applications Sling).

    And to add some confusion, the VTAC or Viking Tactics sling is a completely different, but also high quality, sling.
     
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