Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by 9mmepiphany, Dec 3, 2016.
If we accept that BE-86 is the new Unique, what is the new Bullseye?
I had also heard that BE-86 was more or less a slightly different formula of PP with a flash suppressant.
Yea that's not a bad price at all. My local shop sells it around $18 a LB, so after paying hazmat and all that to have it shipped that's a decent price.
They did. That's why it's usually $20 to $25/lb instead of $40. Smokeless powder isn't as simple to make, in a safe manner, as blackpowder. I could whip up some black powder in my shed if I wanted to, but I wouldn't even think about trying it with smokeless powder. They could change the formula to make it easier/cheaper, but then it wouldn't really be Bullseye. The newer powders are supposed to be easier/faster to make and with burn rates similar to some of the old powders. I doubt prices will go down though.
I get ~1500 rounds out of 1 pound of HP-38/W231 with one of my 9mm target loads which is 4.5gr, so you should see Similar figures per lb. Muliply that by the six lbs you have and yea, you will be good for a little while on that front. Just remember though, too much is never enough!
In 1903, the EPA, and most other regulatory departments were not around.
Actually, that's a pretty interesting idea.
What do you guys think, maybe a super clean burning, great charging version of American Select(R), or domestic, cost effective version of N320? It would have to have versatile ballistics like 231, but much cleaner burning. What do you think?
Let me see what I can come up with, but I'm not sure it would really be a replacement for Bullseye, which is a powder that has passed the test of time, and is still one of our best sellers. You can't even imagine how much Bullseye we use to load ammunition at our two facilities.
See me at the SHOT Show next month, and maybe I'll have something for you.
And by the way, thank you for recognizing the excellence of our "modern Unique(R)", BE-86. That stuff really is awesome and versatile.
Put all three of those into the same powder and you'd have a winner. AS is great stuff but doesn't meter great and a lot of folks won't use it for that reason. (Many other powders as well). AA #2 is the poor mans N320, meters great, usually gives excellent ES numbers, is "forgiving" when getting near the top, and is one of the most position insensitive powders I have tried. (Another good attribute to try to achieve)
So, an American Select/N320/AA#2/W231ish burn rate powder with small kernels that meters well, burns clean, isn't picky about powder position in large cases as far as FPS goes, not dripping with graphite, burns thoroughly and clean, cost effective, did I miss something? Oh yes, light colored like W-231/WST/AA#2/Competition so we can see it in the case easily when seating a bullet.
IMHO of course.
For my uses this would be great
But other than that, I'd second what Walkalong recommends
Nothing to do with simplifying. But added cost to dispose of waste and training and such to stay within the regulations that were not in place at a prior time. Maybe I misunderstood, but I assumed your post was primarily about the cost.
For me, I do not believe we need a new version of Bullseye which downloads well to produce accurate bullseye match/light target loads.
IMHO, what we do need is a new version of Red Dot/Promo that meters well. I am a fan of Promo which is my current powder of choice for 9mm/45ACP pistol plinking and carbine loads. Promo has produced very acceptable level of accuracy and has actually produced more accurate loads than W231/HP-38 on my pistol caliber carbine threads. I am currently working to build a machine rest for pistol/carbine testing and will resume comparison testing of jacketed/plated bullets using pistols/carbines - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/carbine-load-testing-with-mixed-range-brass-plated-bullets-in-9mm-40s-w-45acp.799231/page-3#post-10245856
During the "Great component shortage", I tested different powders to use as substitute for popular powders like W231/HP-38 that became unobtainiums and found Alliant's Green Dot to be closest and posted on THR's same/comparable powder thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/same-comparable-close-powders-under-different-labels.797388/page-4#post-10286533
Paul, if Alliant is able to produce cost effective version of N320 (which is considered by many match shooters as "the" 9mm powder), that would be great. While I like the flexibility of W231/HP-38 to load 9mm/40S&W/45ACP target loads, it is temperature sensitive for meeting power factor and if Alliant is able to produce clean burning version of W231/HP-38/N320 that is less temperature sensitive, you will get interest of many match shooters.
BTW, I use W296/H110 for .300 BLK and many claim Alliant's Power Pro 300 MP is comparable powder. Paul, there's no published 300 MP load data for .300 BLK. Is that something you can work on?
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