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New centerfire Single Six on the horizon!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by CraigC, Jun 13, 2014.

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  1. RealGun

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    Our little anecdotes do not make heavy calibers into "small game" guns. If you can wait for little critters to stand perfectly still in the open, you might be able to have it your way.

    Taking a squirrel out of a tree with a 30-30 seems irresponsible, considering how far that round could travel to who knows where.
     
  2. CraigC
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    You really need to get out more and I don't mean to Wikipedia.

    The .32-20 is often loaded heavy in appropriate guns. Well over 2000fps for 100gr in rifles and 1500-1600fps in revolvers. It used to be that there were high velocity factory loads only suitable for the smokeless frame Colt SAA and Winchester 1892.

    So yes, like I said, similar to the .327. Like I also said, you use a non-expanding cast bullet at less than maximum velocity and meat damage is not an issue.


    I'm sorry that this is over your head but a lot of folks use big cast bullets to hunt small game and have for decades.
     
  3. RealGun

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    Well, so much for this thread, given over to incivility again.

    FYI, there is an article on .32-20 rifle and revolver in the June 2014 issue of Reloader magazine, to which I subscribe.
     
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  4. Walkalong

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    I thought this thread was about a cool new gun and who might like it? Think we could get back to that without the little jabs? State your case, then let it go for goodness sakes. Leave out the personal crap.
     
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    It excites me as a hand loader
     
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    Went in to my usual gun store today for one... Allocated. They'll call me when they get one but no idea when that will be. Anyone seen one yet?
     
  7. CraigC
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    Not due out for a month or two.
     
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    As Boxhead said there have been Single Sixes converted to .41 caliber for quite some time now. Evidntlly the frame can take it easilly and the caliber has a pretty good punch so the .327Mag really ought to bring the Single Six into being a good trail gun.
    BTW I don't know how many have measured but laying my 6 1/2" .22 Convertable SS is almost exactlly the same size as my .36 cal BP '51 London Colt from Uberti!!! No wonder the SS was so popular! It already fit into the hand just like a beloved 'nother Revolver does!
    I can't think of a nicer sized revolver!
    The .327 Mag will have to overcome all the bad prss it's recieved since it came out. Lots of damage was done by writers wanting too much from the cartrige and not looking at it for what it actually is!
    I have always dreampt of building my SS into a .41 just to have a real nice, light, powerfull caliber in that revolver.
    This proposed revolver would handle a huge selection of ammo! It could do just about any trail gun task!
    I would still want a .22RF Convertable just because it is such a fine revolver for plinking, Targets and Hunting!
    Good luck to them!
    ZVP
     
  9. RealGun

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    Maybe getting ahead of myself, but with a gun on order and paid for, I looked around for off-the-shelf holsters for a 5.5" Single Six (wouldn't expect to find Single Seven) and wound up choosing and ordering Ruger's own logo offering, which looks like a Triple K.
     
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    I would buy one, but there are no .327 rounds for sale in my country, not even one. I think its a great idea and a great caliber. Its a pity the .327 does not get all the attention it deserves...
     
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    I was the first person out of Ruger to shoot one of the new 327 Single sixes, that being on June 10 if memory serves. Sighted it in at fifty meters and hit everything in sight after that. Nice little SA pistol, BUT I would NOT trade ANY of my Ruger or S&W 32MAGS on one.
     
  12. RealGun

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    That doesn't mean much without some elaboration.
     
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    These things I know:

    327 reloading components can be easily had.

    327 factory ammo can be easily had.

    327 can be used for deer or small game depending on ammo used and shot placement.

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  14. RealGun

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    If you shop the entire internet, especially when the LGS market is shedding a slow mover.

    Just not in your LGS.

    It just wouldn't be an informed choice if hunting this game was your intention. The caliber has no reputation as a good choice for such hunting. Many calibers, even smaller, could work in theory, but one is responsible to make an effort at a humane kill, not maiming.

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  15. JustsayMo

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    I'm late to the discussion, but I'm very excited about this new offering!

    I REALLY like my 5.5" 32 H&R Single Six (and 327 SP101). It has become my woods loafing / small game getter. It is lightweight 31.4 ounces and 50 rounds of (100gr) ammo weighs just a little more than a pound, easy packing.

    The RCBS 32-98 SWC shoots GREAT out of my Single six and the 115 gr Lyman 311008 is very good too.

    The three loads I use the most are with either of the previously mentioned bullets over Lil'Gun which gets me very close to 1300 fps - which is just about what factory 32-20 does in my 1894 Marlins and only 75 fps slower than commercial 327 mag loads spit out of my 3" SP101... This load is dandy for "long range" steel ringing and rolls the rams in silhouette matches easily. When I'm hiking around in the woods with no particular purpose the revolver is usually stoked up with these.

    My general purpose load for this gun uses Unique to push the bullets to around 1050 fps. It too is plenty for the Ram silhouettes but does require a little holdover If I'm zero'd for the chickens and pigs. Turkeys get a mid body hold. Out to 200 the 18"x 30" plates are easy money and I've even lobbed more than a few out at the 400 and managed a hit or two per cylinder's worth.

    For Small Game I generally use W231 to push cast bullets to 950 fps and it does everything my 22 Single Six did, only better. It's easier on the ears, thumps small game (Grouse are my primary targets - I do NOT take shots at skylined birds) and is an economical plinking load.

    I have shot 32 shorts and longs too. No real savings in a grain or two of powder to make it worth it. The loads are so sedate that they will sometimes ricochet off of logs. Quiet, accurate and fun on paper though...

    The factory 32 Mag JHP offerings shoot very well too. My Single Six and SP101 seem to prefer the hotter commercial offerings. The expense keeps me from shooting very much of it.

    I WILL be buying a 5.5" 327 Single Seven at my first opportunity - got my dealer on the hunt now... While I would prefer a blued version (lighter weight) I see this revolver expanding the capabilities upward enough to make even more versatile and useful. Jeff at Gunblast.com was getting over 1600 fps with some of his loads out of his 5.5" Blackhawk with impressive accuracy.
    That should up the grin factor enough to justify yet another Ruger into my collection.
     
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    I find this confusing. I have a receipt for a paid special order for one of these guns but understand that the dealer must have or create a Lipsey's account. The Lipsey's website provides a facility for locating their dealers, although perhaps not all of those who can order from them.

    Ruger showing these on their website does not mean the model is or will be in regular production. Last I looked, they were shown under Distributor Exclusives. Until I hear otherwise, I believe my gun is "on order".

    With all due respect, if an LGS is stalling on ordering a gun, I wonder if they would like the sale but aren't able to order it direct. Might want check with one of those verified dealers before the guns are all allocated (by Lipsey's, not Ruger). Meanwhile, I will double check the true nature of my order at my end.
     
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    My dealer has been good in the past at procuring limited edition Rugers for me. I'm not sure if any one of them was a Lipseys though... (Montado? Wiley Clapp GP?)

    I wonder how popular these will be. The 327 in a Ruger Single Six seems like a great pairing as did/does the SP101, which wasn't popular enough to keep in production:scrutiny:. A single action revolver appeals to an even smaller segment of the gun community.:confused:

    I should probably seek out a Lipseys dealer and see if they will take my $ for one to be on the safe side.

    The earliest release date I've read (by those supposedly in the know) is late August. Others I've read have been as late as October.
     
  18. CraigC
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    I've been shooting .32's for 15yrs and have never found components difficult to procure. Midway has quite a few in stock right now. .327 brass was difficult to come by unless you knew that Freedom Arms had it. Now that Starline has started producing it, finding yourself a good supply should not be difficult. Midway expects more this month and Graf's still has it in stock.


    What does that matter?


    Good Lord man, this is not the first .32 caliber cartridge to hit the market. :rolleyes:
     
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    I'd like to see this one in a fixed sight "Bearcat like" configuration. With a 4 3/4 or 5 1/2 inch barrel. It would be a delight to carry in the field
     
  20. RealGun

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    Has the .327 Federal Magnum been around that long? If not, why confuse which components we are talking about?

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    Not confusing at all. The brass is the only questionable component. The rest is standard fare. Plenty of .32 bullets available that have been used in the .32S&W, .32H&R and .32-20. Seems to me that the only ones complaining about availability have never bought any.


    We're discussing this on an internet message board. The point of that statement should be obvious. NOBODY should limit themselves to what is commonly available at the local gun shop.


    You made a statement when you should've asked a question. Some folks around have been playing with .32's for a long time. Some folks might have even tried them on small deer with positive results. Some folks might have come up with a good heavy bullet mold and killed all manner of critters with 120-130gr cast bullets, solid and hollowpoint. Some folks don't know how much they don't know.
     
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    But so many folks do. This is what led to the dismal acceptance of the .327 and .480 calibers in the first place. Not everyone buys ammo and components online. Not everyone casts their own bullets or reloads their own ammo. Most folks still like to be able to walk into their LGS and buy ammo and components. They also don't like paying half again as much for loaded ammo because it is a niche caliber and not a common item. Most LGS only have room on their shelves for ammo and components that actually sell. It's a vicious circle for niche calibers and one reason they continue to be niche calibers. This does not mean those niche calibers are not viable, effective and loved by those that shoot them. There are far too many examples of such to deny it. Just because something is not accepted by the general public does not make it bad. This model Single Six is not intended for the masses, but for the niche market that is looking for one. I doubt if this one model will change the general public's opinion of the cartridge, but it's good to see those folks looking for the platform have a source for it.
     
  23. RealGun

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    I won't be using any of those at full Federal Magnum velocities unless jacketed or gas check, should there be such a thing in that size. Right now I reload Missouri Cowboy #6 for my SP101 but am mindful of what velocity might cause leading or other anomalies. To really test the caliber with reloads, I expect I will rely on Hornady XTP or Speer Gold Dot. They would like me to use FTX maybe, but I don't want that short brass.
     
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    In my Marlin 1894 Cowboy in 32 H&R I regularly shot MAX loads of Lil'Gun under plain based bullets reaching almost 1800 fps. No leading issues ever. Size them correctly, use a good lube and my home cast (range lead) bullets do great in the Silhouette Matches and on paper. Cheap shootin too.

    I will have no issues loading the RCBS 32-98 SWC and the Lyman 311008 - both plain base - over any published 327 Federal Magnum load and my performance expectations are high.

    My hope is that I will get performances that approach the 32 Mag rifle velocities in the 327 Single Seven. Now we're talking 600 yard steel!
     
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