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New competition class: EDC Challenge

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by SharpDog, Jul 28, 2019.

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Would I shoot the EDC Challenge

  1. I like it

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  2. No way

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  1. SharpDog

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    So, new pistol EDC competition.

    Min power factor: 75

    https://www.dillonprecision.com/power-factor-calculator.html

    Standard 25 yd. pistol target

    - 5 shots at each range: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 yds, no reloads

    - one string slow fire (1 minute) and
    - one string rapid fire (5 seconds)

    Score multipliers:

    Firearm weight (loaded):

    over 45 oz: 0.25x
    35 oz - 45 oz: 0.50x
    27 oz - 35 oz: 0.75x
    20 oz - 27 oz: 1.0x
    14 oz - 20 oz: 1.5x
    under 14 oz: 2.0x

    Total shots fired = 50 rnds.

    Best possible score 500 + x
     
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  2. JR24

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    Might be fun to try.
     
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  3. Good Ol' Boy

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    My only addendum would be that we would need detailed video of the 20 and 25yd 5 second rapid fire string.

    You know, cause everybody on the webz is a crackshot.
     
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  4. JR24

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    Not me :)
     
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  5. bassjam

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    Hmmm, that rapid fire at distance is really the kicker! Not sure if I'd go with the lcp or the j-frame, each would be equally tough to shoot well at those distances!
     
  6. tarosean

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    So because some of us are not frail little girls we need further restrictions?

    No, I am not harping on mouse gun people. just making a point that EDC is EDC.. as long as you can find a record of what that person carries (i.e. past posts) Then their entry should stand as is.. If they bring a pee shooter to a gun fight that is their issue... :)
     
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  7. JR24

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    You mean I shouldn't be further penalized for my penchant for carrying 40+ oz (loaded guns)?

    But really, I think the x1 modifier should be the 27-35 band as that covers the extremely popular Glock 19 size/weight
     
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  8. tarosean

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    Exactly... As long as the OP can find proof of what they carry there should be no up-scaling of points.

    Add their murse/purse weight to that though... :)
     
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  9. ATLDave

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    I find the core structure of the proposed game (basically bullseye shooting at various distances) to be of little or no interest. I don't particularly enjoy that kind of shooting, although I respect those who can do it well.

    With that said, and with the caveat that my opinion about the precise rules of this proposed game should therefore be given little or no weight, I think the weight multiplier concept makes some sense. You and I both know that handgun size and weight are helpful in shooting performance. They do provide some advantage - precisely why you and I choose to shoot what we shoot in competition and why we may tolerate heavier guns for carry than others might.

    The OP's proposal would basically be like handicapping a motorsports race by spotting low-displacement cars some number of laps. Obviously, the OP's guess at the "right" multipliers is arbitrary. But I think we'd both agree it's more of a "neat trick" to be able to hit something small and distant with a mouse gun than a big target-grade pistol.

    The mistake, of course, would be to think that the results which plus up an LCP a ton and knock down a steel-framed 1911 a ton somehow indicate that the former is better than the latter. In terms of shooting, it's not.

    So if the point is to measure shooter skill in the field of conveniently carryable guns, it makes some sense. If the point is to "prove" what carry guns are best, it makes no sense and is completely arbitrary (results are certain to change based on what multipliers are picked, and they were picked arbitrarily).
     
  10. SharpDog

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    1. No it's strictly about skill

    2. The scale was arbitrary but it's negotiable

    3. No problems adding some action shooting stages. The point was that shooting a lighter / smaller gun is harder, all else being equal
     
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  11. P5 Guy

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    Rapid fire is verboten at WAC.
    Five shots a minute will bring a RSO to your side.
     
  12. Styx

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    Off topic, but what's the reasoning behind that rule?
     
  13. JR24

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    5 in minute?! That's not rapid, that's glacially slow (and super boring) for non bullseye pistol.

    Now 5 in a second is rapid fire
     
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  14. Riomouse911

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    Most of the public ranges I’ve shot at give a “one shot per second maximum” for a rate of fire... so 5 shots in 5 seconds would fit those rules.

    I carry an LCP 2 and a Colt Cobra, once I get a day free to hit the range I’ll give it a whirl,

    Stay safe.
     
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  15. P5 Guy

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    Well, no one can say except that's the way we always do things, better safe than shot.
    Wyoming Antelope Club; Florida Chapter was much more restrictive 10 years ago. Semi-auto rifles were only allowed to load three rounds, once to prove function. After that was single load only. That was a chore with a Garand.
    For most of the club history the focus was on zeroing in for hunting. Then those new fangled black rifles got popular.
    At least the single load rule went away.
     
  16. ATLDave

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    I would pay up to zero dollars for the privilege of shooting at such a club. Is Diane Feinstein the chair of the club’s board?
     
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    Micro, mini, compact, or full size? EDC changes like the weather.
     
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    I live in hotter than hell gulf coast TX.. So I'll usher in the "pocket carry" G34 w/RMR. :neener:

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  19. Kano383

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    Methink that at the longest distances, one should have 5 seconds to move from 20 to 25 yards, take cover, and hit the black (5.5") on a B8 target. Five rounds in the gun, hits in the black count 10, hits in the white rings count 0, hits beyond that count -10.

    That'll teach ya to hit things and leave bystanders alone. :D
     
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  20. LiveLife

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    I agree. I think this challenge could be tweaked to test shooters' skill unlike the slow fire that was more of a bullseye match with EDC/compact pistols lionking ran in Feb/Mar - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-cc-pistol-10-shots-10-yard-challenge.846669/


    If you changed the rules to following, I would participate:

    Min power factor: 130

    https://www.dillonprecision.com/power-factor-calculator.html

    50 ft timed rapid fire B-3 target - http://www.califpistolmatches.com/documents/targets/50 feet/B3.pdf

    - 10 shots at each range: 5, 7, 10, 15 no reloads

    - one string rapid fire (5 seconds)

    Total shots fired = 40 rnds

    Best possible score 400
     
  21. Varminterror

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    Is there a $40,000 grand prize for the winner?

    This thread has been a case-study for why I don’t usually read or participate in online forum “contests.”

    The intent is always really just to encourage “gun owners” to get out and remember to be “shooters” too. But then we see either restrictive rules which disqualify a lot of would-be shooters which don’t fit the letter, or with open rules, criticism the game isn’t “fair” - and in all cases, we often see a lot of whining about rules, whether overly or insufficiently defined, and whining about potential for members to cheat...

    It’s a free contest with no prizes on an Internet forum. Take it for what it is. Shoot it or don’t. The impact upon your emotional state and physical well-being is nil.
     
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  22. LiveLife

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    lionking has hosted many different types of rimfire/centerfire pistol and rifle contests.

    To me, it creates "Put up or shut up" challenges to THR members and provides a fun outlet for those who have actually competed in bullseye/action pistol/high power/long-range matches how much they have retained or deteriorated. :D

    lionking's contests have pushed me to do something I would never had considered, competing with a subcompact pistol like Shield M&P 9mm for 15 yard slow fire. Even though the contest was slow fire, I pushed myself to do relatively fast fire shooting and was surprised at the results. I did better than I anticipated and now have a greater confidence in the Shield for defensive shooting.

    50 yard rimfire with 10/22 and ARs further confirmed my suspicion. ARs shooting 22LR with CMMG conversion sucks at 50 yards compared to 10/22. That challenge did surprise me with the average consistent accuracy performance from CCI Blazer, Aguila and subsequently Armscor ammunition.

    I missed out on 15 yard rimfire slow fire contest as my progressive glasses prescription was found to be fuzzy but now with new glasses, plan to participate in 25 yard popular LEO pistols.

    I am a proponent of fast point shooting and posed such contest to lionking with no reply. SharpDog's 5 rounds in 5 seconds is essentially point shooting territory and would love to participate if the rules were tweaked a bit as I believe fast rapid fire shooting is testing of skill more than quality of hardware and how light the trigger is. ;)

    I have often told people who bragged about their expensive safe queen pistols to take it to a match and see how it performs in "real world" shooting. I took one such dare from my defensive shooting instructor and shot USPSA with factory stock Glock 22 to "improve" my defensive shooting. I also push my pistols to the point of failure like not cleaning until it won't feed or cycle reliably, then clean them so I know what to expect from my pistols.

    Whether I do well or not, I like participating in these contests and posting "actual" targets as it is a real life confirmation to me as to where my actual shooting skills are.

    And there will always be somebody better shooting than you. BUT, we are not really "competing" with others rather competing with our past best groups/fastest times - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...s-techniques-gear.848737/page-3#post-11189817
     
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  23. Merle1

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    I didn't see the starting & ending dates???
     
  24. LiveLife

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    We are still negotiating with SharpDog for the terms of the contest. :D

    I say drop the 1 minute slow fire and go for 5 second rapid fire at closer ranges of 5/7/10/15 yards.

    That's one contest lionking has not run.

    As a point shooter, I would actually run a contest shooting with eyes closed but that won't be fair to sighted shooters. :eek::rofl:
     
  25. bluejeans

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    To me it seems very incongruous to have an edc challenge that isn’t “ from the holster “
     
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