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Discussion in 'Activism' started by WeThePeople, Mar 20, 2008.

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  1. WeThePeople

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    FYI:

     
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    I think we have covered the basic ground before, but it may be time to summarize -

    Asking my Primary Care Physician about what caliber to use for <scenario of choice> is about as useful as asking my local politician if that thing on my <appendage of choice> is supposed to look like that.

    There are statistics, and statistics can be made to say anything I want them to. Then, after statistics there are damned lies. I've read some of the "studies" that supposedly support the statistics they spout, and I'm here to tell you that they are damned lies.

    If the good doctors want to address firearms issues as a matter of public health policy, why do they not start with any of the issues that cause personal health crises - like criminals using firearms to cause traumatic psychological as well as physical injuries? Or would addressing that issue eventually lead to a reduction in income stream? [OK, that was a cheap shot.]

    The problem is they keep coming back and we have to start from square one again in demonstrating their "results" are not valid.

    Which brings up a thought - can we complain to the medical licensing board about the poor quality of care provided based on the flaws in their studies and pronouncements?

    stay safe.

    skidmark
     
  3. IllHunter

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    I know why they believe...

    They want to prescribe but are never willing to ascribe the actions of the treated, they believe they "know better" and "have "the answers". The truth is they can't see the forest for the trees.
    :banghead:
     
  4. .cheese.

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    why reopen the door if they think it is a problem? Keep the damn door shut and call the police.
     
  5. bakert

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    All I know is what I read in the news at the time, but I've always considered this instance to be a shooting that never should have happened!!:(
     
  6. Animal Mother

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    Baloney. If the NEJM considers itself a scholarly academic journal, then there is a conflict of interest when they choose to put out a politically biased hit piece containing an irrelevant story about a firearms related confrontation that occurred back in 1992. And while tragic, it appears to have been a lawful shooting, as Rodney Peairs was acquitted of manslaughter.


    There are three kinds of lies:
    There are lies.
    There are damned lies.
    Then there are statistics.
     
  7. svtruth

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    The first thing

    you learn in statistics is that correlation is not causation. If suicide is the leading cause of death in new gun owners in the first year, the parsimonious explanation is that the person was suicidal and bought the gun in order to commit suicide.
     
  8. Harvster

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    .....And que the stats on how many people die from medical error every year....
     
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    One of the things that came out in the Pears trial is of interest, here. Hattori's friends said that he enjoyed acting like a psycho to scare people, then photograph their reactions. Apparently, Pears's coming to the carport door incited Hattori to go into his act, waving a camera as he approached Pears.

    It's night. You've told a trespasser to get off your property. He comes boogieing back, acting like a lunatic. There's a dark metallic object in his hand, that he's pointing at you.

    What'cha gonna do now, loooootenant?
     
  10. WeThePeople

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    And having needles in the home causes diabetes.
     
  12. doc2rn

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    We should disregard him for one reason. What disease have they found a cure for since Polio in the '50s? Answer none, they need to stick to their trade since it has obviously lagged behind.
     
  13. Ash

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    Here is an interesting statistic.

    Nearly 1/2 of all marriages end in divorce.

    Of course, that leads one to think that half of all people who get married will get a divorce.

    However, around 70% of all people who get married, stay married and do not get a divorce.

    How can that be? Because of all the people with multiple marriages. The statistic of failed marriages, while often used, is very misleading. There are many, many more statistics.

    Like, for instance, people who skip breakfast are much more likely to be over weight. Skipping breakfast, therefore, must cause you to gain weight, right?

    But wait, people who are on a diet are more likely to skip breakfast. People on a diet are overwhelmingly overweight. So, skipping breakfast is completely unrelated to weight gain (indeed, biologically, there is evidence that it can actually help you lose weight much faster, assuming restraint through the rest of the day).

    Statistics are only half of the discussion. Knowing how to apply them is the other half.

    Ash
     
  14. TylerDurden

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    So, let's see...

    Statistic:

    In 2005, in this country, 30,694 people died from gunshot wounds; 17,002 cases were suicides, 12,352 were homicides, and 1340 were accidental, police-related, or of undetermined intent. Nearly 70,000 more people received treatment for nonfatal wounds in U.S. emergency departments.

    So, according to the numbers:
    All fatalities from gunshots that were not suicides or homicides were accidental, police-related, or of undetermined intent.

    Then the average Joe (or Joanne) with a gun protecting oneself by firing a round into a BG last year may have wounded a assailant, but there were no fatalaties. That's better than having a personal Tazer!!

    No?

    Interesting statistics.

    -TD
     
  15. p2000sk

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    70% of statistics
    are just made up numbers.
     
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    Well, ya gotta keep publishing to get tenure. And publishing this sort of stuff doesn't require the work that researching a new treatment would require.
     
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