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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Robbins290, Nov 26, 2019.

  1. Styx

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    I'd rather a Glock manufactured conversion kits with maybe a 22lr barrel of different lengths to be used in the 19, 27, 34, and mags that allows you to use your actual pistol you already own. I still don't see what type of training you get from a 22lr vs dry firing or shooting your own pistol with the same trigger, sights, mods, etc.
     
  2. Styx

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    I'm the same way... I own a variety of firearms from a variety of manufacturers, and yes, they went overboard with the rollout. I think much of the backlash is mostly based on people being disappointed and underwhelmed than being upset over Glock's new offering... There would have been more buzz if they would have quietly rolled it out to everyone's surprise IMHO.
     
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    Boating accidents seem to be common on these forums.:confused:
     
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    While I find dry fire is an important part of my shooting practice, IMHO live fire beats dry fire even if it is only a 22 LR pistol. In the past I had personally done extensive dry fire with certain pistols only to be disappointed with the results when returning to the range. I have found that laser training cartridges also increase the effectiveness and fun of dry fire but still not quite as good as live fire where one experiences the noise and recoil from the pistol. A 22 LR pistol allows a shooter to concentrate on grip and trigger control for marksmanship without the unpleasant and distracting recoil experience and noise of shooting a center fire pistol like 9MM that the newer shooter may not be used too.

    This link seems to explain the possible benefits well of using .22LR for training.

    http://pistol-training.com/archives/2302

    The highlights:

    "Skills you can work on effectively with a .22 equivalent to your normal pistol:

    • marksmanship
    • strong- and weak-hand only shooting
    • draw stroke
    • reloads
    • transitions
    • judgmental shooting
    • shooting on the move… With SOM, the line between good .22 training and bad .22 training is definitely easy to cross. But like transition drills, SOM training can benefit from a .22 in terms of learning how to move your feet and position your body for a stable shooting platform on the move.
    Skills you should not practice with a .22lr handgun:

    • recoil management
    • sight tracking
    • rapid multiple shots on a single target
    • failure drills "
     
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    Glock had to get passed their polygonal rifling before they could release the G44...

    It will be interesting to see where these come in, price point wise and how they fair.
     
  6. TTv2

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    Really Glock, 10 rounds of .22 in a G19 sized pistol? MSRP of $400 means the street price is probably going to be around $300, putting it around the Ruger SR22 and Walther .22, but over that of a Kel Tec P17 and Taurus.

    Further, this is Glock's first ever blowback pistol and first ever rimfire, thus I can see teething issues with them and Glock's customer service is notoriously poor.

    I'm not buying one. GG Glock, another swing and a miss.
     
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    I have no doubts Glock will have a reliable pistol, its just everything else about it is so 10 years ago. But as a Glock fan I've come to expect it from them, the 10 round mag will really get people piling on them for sure.
     
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    i agree TTv2, no way i am getting one.

    Unless the price came down to 250 or so.
     
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  9. crestoncowboy

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    I know of departments that use the AA kit. It's a good kit but parts and mags arent cheap and rarely available and they are known to not like the cheaper bulk ammo. I've seen good deals on the used kits from some bigger departments online. So I know that it's not just a local thing.

    You get to see where you impacted and shoot 550 rounds for 20 dollars. No one is saying constant training with a 22. More of a learning the fundamentals for a trip or two and then pass it on to the next guy and move up to your duty gun.

    The number one problem I see in the local departments is terrible trigger control/ jerking the trigger. One day.... A 2 dollar roll of target dots, and a brick of 22 and this gun could fix that and possibly lead to better more comfortable shooters. Many just need the fundamentals.
    The number two problem I see is recoil management. At best this wouldnt help that a bit and at worst could make people (the non gun-guy or gal LEOs I see which I believe is most) hate the bigger guns even worse. Granted, our department carried 45 up until now and the neighboring department carried 357 sig and have both gone to 9mm this year. I'll likely buy one just for fundamentals training purposes. I'd have preferred 15 rd capacity and a typical pinned/fixed barrel but I'm sure Glock has done its testing

    Is it? Like I said on the last page. That barrel staying in the slide looks to be a browning setup. Dissassembly is "the same as every Glock" per the article and the pictures clearly show the slide/RSA/and barrel coming off together. It's certainly not pinned/screwed/nor fixed like every other rimfire I've seen.
    I've never heard anything but good about their CS either but they were all LE so maybe they get the better numbers to call.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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  12. crestoncowboy

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    Could be. But one would have thought they would have just used a standard MOS slide cutout. It could be an access to some steel parts inside the polymer slide too. I cant see a standard velocity 22 having enough power to overcome that big slide with an rds, a recoil spring, and unlock and tilt the barrel. All the 22s I've shot with an RDS or scope, had the scope mounted to the fixed barrel.

    I'm intrigued. Why would a company who has only simplified and tweaked existing designs for its entire existence go so far from every other rimfire pistol design? I'm sure it will work but I'm baffled as to their choice.
     
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    yeah I guess as trainer.......but i have my own range and buy bulk ammo and can train with my g19 and 9mm ammo, so doesn't help me. for others not so lucky........yep i can see an advantage.

    im still not impressed at the 10 round mags. need 15 for proper training consistency unless one lives in maryland or mass or other 10 round states.
     
  14. crestoncowboy

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    Yeah I think most are thinking of an intro to shooting your glock type departmental class. Maybe a day or two. Not daily. And yeah I'm in the same boat I buy or reload what I need and shoot anytime. And I absolutely agree with the 15 rounds. All that commonality with the G19 and then make it 10 rounds?? Idk
     
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    I would buy one...if they would get one passed through the California DOJ and get it on the roster. I have wanted a Glock .22 for a long time.

    That’s one of the reasons I was hoping for a PCC. But my predictions came true.
     
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    Sheesh. Personally, I think this is a pretty good move for Glock. Hopefully, they'll have sense enough to include two recoil springs, one for standard velocity and one for high velocity ammo.
     
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    I have a Mark IV and a SR22, so I don't know that I need this Glock, but offering a 22 is a good move by them as I'm sure it'll be a great seller for them. My only question, as others raised, is why only a 10 round magazine.
     
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    I'm guessing it is part of the steel portion protruding through the plastic slide. Speaking of the plastic slide, inserting steel sights into plastic dovetails seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
     
  19. Jeb Stuart

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    Hybrid Polymer/Steel slide God I love marketing and the internet. How about a Pic of this? Is it actually Steel Rails? Or his it polymer and steel? I think we all need to take a deep breath and wait a year before any judgements are made. The Good news, is that all the hype may cease some of the other hype that as gagged us to death for the past few months. People already telling us how great this gun is going to shoot and be reliable that have not even held the gun yet.
    And the comment about "Waiting for someone to complain about the grip angle. So what? That might be still a legit complaint for some. And that does not mean anything wrong with the gun. I want to shoot one. My problem with Glocks is that they just do not like me. The Trigger guard and my finger just do get along. But maybe this Glock is different. I like the Price and yes it most likley be a nice 22cal among other nice 22.cals.

    By the way, I do not know if this is the fancy description of the "Hybrid Poly/Steel, but just wondering if it is the same thing with out the fancy term.
    I want a new 22.cal trainer and Yes, I most definitely believe in them especially for point and shoot skills. And you can shoot a whole lot of 22.ammo at a fraction of the cost.
    I want to compare the Glock, Taurus and the Keltec. But I will wait until all of them have gotten some traction from teething issues, there is no hurry.

    Here is my Ruger SR22 with a Super Duper Hybrid what ever slide. Sent back three times for the same problem. *looks like steel and polymer to me.


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    That's why Walther milled a steel pin in the slide catch area on their Walther PPQ M2 .22lr. Here's a picture of mine showing the pin:
    Slide%20Stop%20Reinforcement.jpg
     
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    Glock really out did themselves. There are already third party 22 conversions for Glocks. And they are 10 something years late on making a .22LR of their own. And a 10 round capacity? Really legendary...
     
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    But Glock is "perfecting" the 10 round .22lr hangun.
     
  23. crestoncowboy

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    I get the joke. But seriously I cant imagine the 10 rd handgun market could get better than everything from the mk series, buvkmark, victory, neos, high- standard, woodsman......etc.

    That does suck. Kind of like these pot metal wonders
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    And sig wants 55 bucks shipping to honor their lifetime guarantee. Whole guns not worth 55 bucks new. They all crack there if you get one that will run long enough to crack.
    I like the feel and such of them though
     
  24. Pat Riot
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    I guess we will see how they sell. Guys and Girls that live Glocks will buy them. Guys and Girls that hate Glocks probably won’t.
     
  25. Trey Veston

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    I love Glocks and I'm probably not buying one. I even have a G19 Gen 5 for carry work and I do not want a .22 LR version of it.

    Like I said before, I have a Ruger 22/45 Lite for a semi-auto .22. Yes, it is finicky every now and then, but it is very accurate and uses an RDS. Great for training new shooters with. I don't see that I can do that with the Glock.
     
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