New Jersey looks to ban big bore muzzleloaders!

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I have said it before and I will say it again: The manufacturers of current .50 cal firearms simply have to reconfigure them as .4999 cal firearms and note in the owner's manual that "in the absence of the availability of .4999 cal ammunition, .50 cal ammunition may be used as a substitute."
 
Yeah, but that is not what they are trying to ban. It is the Barretts, et al that they are after.

There is always the possibility that the muzzleloaders will get a bill before the legislature showing the folly of the inclusion of muzzleloaders and get an exemption for them.

Nos so with cartridge firearms.
 
C'mon, California legislators, NJ's getting ahead of us again. Time to step up to the plate. Perata must be snoozing.
Geez, no kidding. Calif is beginning to look like gun owners paradise in comparison to some of the stuff I've seen coming out of Jersey. Maybe Perata doesn't want to ban them because he figures he can charge muzzloader shooters a $0.15 per component "safety fee" for balls, powder, and caps. Though I can't recall the last time I heard of a coonskin capped bank robber pulling a five foot long flintlock and demanding a teller hand over their wampum and vittles....

This really should be spread around the hunting forums. Don't most states have a .50cal minimum for big game muzzleloader hunting? Were this to become law, it would effectively end the primitive hunting season in Jersey and states that followed New Jersey's lead. And of course start a big production run of .49 caliber guns.
 
Malone,

Don Perata isn't snoozing, he already knows that Jack Scott (from my hometown no less) probably has a bill in the pipeline to ban those evil calibers. So many grabbers to choose from, where does one start. He's just waiting to run for Congress when he gets term limited out. He needs to go back to P.C.C. or retire.

California is a wonderful example of how well gridlock worked with a Democrat controlled Legislature and Republican Governors. When Gray Davis got there, the down hill trend for gun rights sped up rather quickly. Don't know why Gov. (Moonbeam) Jerry Brown never got to this other than the times were different. To be fair to the to the Democrats in California, the huge RINO Dan Lundgren would have been just as bad for 2A. He lost because there was a real Democrat in the race. The best that Arnold the Governator can do is to stay away from this issue. Somehow, I don't think this will happen. Jack Scott still has many more anti gun bills in him. When does he get to banning shotguns? Wasn't his son killed by one?

Beware of he politicians with a vendetta like Jack Scott and Carolyn McCarthy.
 
"Firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person.
So are airguns considered firearms in the great state of New Jersey? No wonder there's no crime there. :barf:
 
... except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; ...
That is, until those jerks figure out what a SLUG is!;)
 
recognized as suitable for sporting purposes
Yeah ... the slug deal. I guess with the ever blurring of distinction between ''sporting'' and ''assault'' ..... helped along by media hype ...... the slug round will be given same status as HP bullets.

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What would the THR be like if it (and the internet, of course) existed in 1935 Germany? I'm fleeing New Jersey this summer just like my intelligent ancestors did. The sheeple stayed, I guess. Any similarities or am I just being insane? If I'm being insane it's clearly because of your influence. Wait, I think that they called my ancestors insane who fled. Nevermind. I'll quit while I'm way behind.
I was in the Warsaw Ghetto myself in a past life, by the way.
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*** does this mean? Is there any gun that uses compressed air to ignite? Or is this more "plastic gun" legislation that bans something that doesn't exist?
Actually, Daisy some years ago experimented with a BB that had attacced to it a form of guncotton that would ignite from the pressure of the BB gun. Air heats as it is compressed and cools as it is released. G&A or one of the other magazines did a full write-up on the subject and stated that Daisy was claiming muzzle velocities in the 1,200 fps range; or about the same as a .22. This was from a standard BB gun.
 
AUN: Sponsor of gun bill won't pull trigger yet

Friday, January 02, 203

BY FRED J. AUN
For the Star-Ledger

A proposed new law that could have banned the sale or purchase of many muzzleloading rifles and the possession of many shotguns is being pulled from the state Legislature calendar and will not be introduced, said its sponsor.

Assemblywoman Loretta Weinberg (D-Bergen) said concerns expressed by hunters is prompting her to yank bill A-3942 less than a month after its introduction. As of Wednesday, the state Legislature Web site listed the bill as remaining active, but Weinberg said she "pulled the bill off the agenda."

"I do not plan to push this bill at this time because I think there are some questions," the assemblywoman said.

The state Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs was among the groups that came out against the bill, which was co-sponsored by state Assemblywoman Nellie Pou (D-Passaic) and introduced Dec. 11. The federation said the bill, as written, was "directly aimed at New Jersey big game hunters, re-enactors and muzzleloader enthusiasts."

In essence, the bill would have classified weapons of 50 caliber or greater as being illegal "destructive devices." Currently, the definition of those devices involves weapons of 60 caliber or greater.

An Assembly committee amended the original bill to provide exemptions for sportsmen and gun hobbyists. Antique guns were removed from the list of banned devices and people who lawfully possessed guns of 50 caliber or greater before the bill's date were also exempted.

But George Howard, the federation's conservation director (and a member of the state Fish and Game Council), said loopholes remained. He said his reading of the bill led him to believe it would have barred the future sale, disposal and use of more than 90 percent of the muzzleloaders and many of the shotguns -- those with rifled barrels -- in use by New Jersey sportsmen to hunt bear. A 20-gauge shotgun measures about 61 caliber and a 12-gauge shotgun is about 70 caliber.

In a Christmas Eve "legislative alert," Howard alleged the bill "was rushed through the committee just immediately after New Jersey's highly publicized first black bear hunt in 30 years." Weinberg said she is not against hunting and insisted the bear hunt had nothing to do with it. She said she was asked -- by some of her staffers -- to sponsor the bill as an anti-terrorism measure.

"The way I understand it, there were certain kinds of large-caliber guns that are not used for hunting, and one bullet from them can blast a lot of people or a lot of things," the legislator said.

"It was designed to make sure those guns are not sold in New Jersey. ... But because there were some legitimate questions raised, I did not push this and it certainly is not going to get pushed through in the next session."

Howard said New Jersey's sportsmen must always stay on top of action in Trenton.

"These people are going to keep coming at us and they will use any means they can," he said, referring to anti-hunting groups. "Legislation is a big thing for us now -- both answering the attacks and getting legislation passed that's favorable to sportsmen."

Fred J. Aun covers the outdoors for The Star Ledger. He can be reached at [email protected].
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/107302627723390.xml
 
"The way I understand it, there were certain kinds of large-caliber guns that are not used for hunting, and one bullet from them can blast a lot of people or a lot of things," the legislator said.
Spoken like a true know-nothing firearms restriction agendist.
Howard said New Jersey's sportsmen must always stay on top of action in Trenton.

"These people are going to keep coming at us and they will use any means they can," he said, referring to anti-hunting groups. "Legislation is a big thing for us now -- both answering the attacks and getting legislation passed that's favorable to sportsmen."
Ya think they are starting to wake up and realize that we were correct when we told them "You're next!"? I wonder how many of them are now starting to wonder if it might not have been a good idea to support us when our firearms were under attack.
 
"I do not plan to push this bill at this time because I think there are some questions," the assemblywoman said.
Wow!! What a wonderfully (sic) magnanimous gesture! Or maybe a way to pull out whilst trying to save face!

These people amaze me ..... they'd come up with ''assault'' bows and arrows given half a chance.:barf:
 
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