Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by alamo, Feb 9, 2006.
Hot off the press:
this puppy comes out, I will get rid of my PM-9. I like my Kahr, but this looks more ideal for my wants and needs.
Looks like a winner. 12.7 ounces and 8 round capacity. With an MSRP of $314 (blued) I'd expect street prices to be around $275.
someone please post a pic here. The sonic wall here at work will not let me view the link. Please, please, please!!
Ask and ye shal receive!
I so want one!
Thanks for the post. I may have to retire the 342ti when that hits da skreet.
I think I'll wait to see if the kinks are worked out in this one.
Kahr and others have been beating Glock with their single stack 9mm, this will more likely be my next auto purchase
I have a 3AT and a Kahr PM9. I'd like to pick up one of these new KelTecs, but first they have to be proven more reliable than my first go round with the 3AT. Second, I'm not so sure I do want one because my Kahr is shorter in height and length. The only thing this has on my Kahr is weight (only 2oz or so), and width.
I like the concept, I might eventually get one, but I have to ask, WHY THE LIGHT RAIL???????? A small pocket gun like that, and they put a light rail on it? What's the world coming to?
From each company's web site:
--------PF-9-- R-9-- PM-9
Weight _12.7 _12.8 _14.0 (ounces, no mag)
Length _5.85" _5.2" _5.3"
Height _4.3" _3.7" _4.0"
Width _.88" _.812" _.90"
Barrel _3.1" _2.9" _3.0"
Capacity _7+1 _6+1 6+1 or 7+1
*also MSRP on a PF-9 in Hard Chrome is $368, gunbroker prices on the R-9 have been approx $850-900, and the PM-9 about $525-550.
Not an insignificant statistic when looking in my wallet.
Personally I'm let down and probably wont be buying one.
compared to the p11:
.25" longer than the p11, same height as the p11, .12 thinner
compared to the rohrbaugh:
r9 is .65" shorter length, r9 is .6" less height, r9 is .03 thicker
It seems like a slightly thinner p11. I think I could have handled the extra length , put the height can really kill pocket carry. I was hoping for a rohrbaugh killer, I think I got a slightly thinner p11. Ymmv.
The R9 usually goes a little higher. The PM9 sometimes can be had for a little less. Lets see what the street price is on this, AND what owners report.
Wow! Least-ugly Kel-Tek ever!
If it actually works, I might consider buying my first Kel-Tek.
Medic, if that 342 is a no-Lock, sell it to me!
This will be the perfect mate to my Kel Tec .32. I bought it at a Gun Show here from a dealer for $207 MIB(before taxes), so I hope to get a good deal on this one............
The finger extension is welcome, but that rail, why would people mount lights on a pocket pistol?
Actually, they should make that grip extension like those Pearce Grip for Glocks, not just a finger extension but adds 1 or 2 rounds to your mag capacity. That way it's not just adding to the dimensions of the gun, but gives you more rounds on tap which might prove useful in the heat of a gun fight...
Good points and less than half the fire power.
I have a finger extension on my P11, but wouldn't have it on a pocket gun. The P11 rides in a Rosen IWB holster. One thing I prefer in a pocket gun, too, is a heal clip type magazine release.
Can you tell I'm talking myself out of it? Been carrying my P11 for as long as they've been making 'em, about. Really like that gun. But, I'm beginning to see little advantage in the new single stack. As is said, not a whole lot more compact and lacks the ammo capacity. But, it IS just enough smaller I think it could work for me in a rear jeans pocket.
I want a semiauto that works better than my J-frame .38 for warm weather (shorts & t-shirt) pocket carry.
I think this new 9mm is a bit tall for that and the P3AT is still the king when price is a factor.
Everybody seems to think the latest generation of P3AT is much improved too.
Ooh... Ooh... Ooh... Yep, I like the idea...
A little updated information from ktog, 7.5lb trigger pull, and it uses the same barrel as the p11, hence the same length as the p11.
Mmm, oh well, stick with the P11 and get 11 rounds, or buy the new magazines and get 13 rounds. Personally, I pick up 12.6 ounces in one hand and 14 in the other, I can't discern the difference.
Hey, long T shirts work for me IWB in summer. I regularly carry a J frame revolver in the heat, just can't pocket it. The P3AT is a good bit smaller and would work well in a pocket, though.
Another gotta have!
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