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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Panzerschwein, May 28, 2015.

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  1. 200Apples

    200Apples Mojave Lever Crew

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    You're both wrong. :D

    Oh, HI! fellas! :p

    Cooper was not fond of the .30 carbine as a cartridge. He thought it ineffective (more than likely in the field). Jim Cirillo, on the other hand, thought the round superior for metro police work.

    John Wayne never carried a '94. He did carry a Winchester; it was a '92, and more than likely his characters would have had the .44-40 chambering.

    Hollywood? Don't get me started. They got it wrong, too, for Chuck Connors's character Lucas McCain by making his rifle the (wonderful) Model 1892. The show's cowboy-as-sodbuster theme timeframe was in the years before 1892...

    My HD weapons are any one of three: a 3" 1911-pattern .45ACP or a 12 ga. Wingmaster stuffed with double-aught buckshot or, my current favorite because of it's diminutive size (far shorter and far lighter than an 18"-barreled pump shotgun) and for it's "friendliness" is a 16" barreled Model 1892 but in .357 magnum and made by Rossi.

    :)
     
  2. swede4198

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    At least the Inlands are being made close to the original factory. Some of the workers grandfathers/grandmothers might have worked on the original GM production lines.
     
  3. BSA1

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    Old thread revival but Cabelas in Wichita, Kansas has a bunch of M1 Carbines. At least 6 - 8 regular stock and two folding stock. Priced a little below $1,200 except for one paratrooper that was over $3,000 ($3,500 or something like that).

    I don't know how fair of price this is. They have for regular stock ones sitting out in the Gun Library. Their stocks are in excellent condition. I didn't spend much time looking at them as I was on my way to work.
     
  4. barnbwt

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    Holy Bajeezus! A gun that's literally half the Garand going for double :what:

    "John Wayne never carried a '94. He did carry a Winchester; it was a '92, and more than likely his characters would have had the .44-40 chambering."
    Was that the one he bashed himself in the head with while learning to flip-cock it? :D

    TCB
     
  5. CoalTrain49

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    Ran a few mags thru my "old" Inland on Wed. I have two and one definitely shoots better than the other one. Clay pigeons at 50 yards is no problem. If I had younger eyes I think I could do that at 100 yards with the good one.

    If a person wanted a shooter a new one is the way to go. Wait for the new Inland to come down and buy one. The USGI carbines are a crap shoot trying to find one that will run. I've had to rebuild both of my bolts and replace all of the springs to be reliable. They all usually need to be rebuilt unless you can find a CMP gun. Those are no longer available thru the CMP as the supply ran out. A good CMP service grade gun will run you 1K now if you can find one. Most people that have them aren't letting them go.

    I originally purchased my first one for SD. 357 mag power in a small package good to 100 yds. I was so taken with it I bought another one in better condition with a better barrel. I'll re-barrel my first one when I get the money. This is a labor of love. These things will hook you quick.
     
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  6. CoalTrain49

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    You have a good line up there, however the carbine you have is SLOW compared to 15 rounds from an M1 carbine. Every shot you take with a repeater, the muzzle has to come off of your target. M1 stays right there for 15 or 30 if you want. An M1 was designed for CQB. You can even get stripper clips to quickly reload a mag. They made 7 million carbines and were used for 25 years in combat.

    Jeff Copper never designed a rifle that was ever used in combat. He had some strange ideas about rifles. The scout rifle is a good example of that.
     
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  7. HOWARD J

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    I have an Iver Johnson I use for home protection.
    I shoot it every few months to make sure it is working properly
    It looks good & shoots good
     
  8. kBob

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    CoolTrain,

    The last batch of .30 Carbine I got from CMP was on the more modern stripper in the bandoleers. Ten round strippers with a spoon in one pocket.

    When I was a kid in the 1960's almost all the ammo I found was in the little brown GI 50 round boxes. I found some in the WWII strippers which each had their own spoon attached and it slid down to load. I think I reloaded and used them about a bigillion times before finally the little brass tabs broke off one end or the other.

    It was kind of neat to not have to fool around with a single spoon for a dozen or so strippers, but to have one attached to each stripper. On the other hand, I bet that 100 of the old strippers likely cost the government what 225 and 25 spoons cost the government.

    I know I had at east one of the self contained spoon strippers last year out in the shop maybe if the rain keeps up I can go look for one.

    Turns out I had but two still wrapped post WWII storage magazines left and I opened one to show The Boy. Still have not gotten all the goo off of it. It is a nicely blued 15 rounder marked G-Q that appears never to have been in a rifle, no wear on the catches or lips or scrapes on the back or follower. Wish I had taken the entire foot locker full of them...and that I had not flippantly given fully half of what I had away over the years.....with age comes wisdom....some times.

    I asked Dad about the 7.5 mm marked Carbine French Army ammo and he says if he had any left the BIL must have it.

    -kBob
     
  9. CoalTrain49

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    This spring a guy in Germany just bought the last of the surplus GI mags known to exist in any large numbers. I think he said they were Austrian surplus. He had thousands for sale in lots of 10, 20 and 100. They didn't last very long. I bought 20 from him and had to disassemble them and soak them in mineral spirits to get the grease out. Someone will find another cache of parts somewhere but nobody knows when or if they will show up.

    That's the neat thing about gov't surplus. You just never know who's holding what and when it will surface.

    I'm pretty sure the carbines are gone and even if they find more we won't see them in the US..
     
  10. Reloadron

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    Well been a few months.

    Currently around me in NE Ohio actual GI M1 Carbines in nice condition can be had at gun shows in the $800 to $1,000 price range. Maybe more or maybe less. While original GI parts aren't "cheap" they are reasonable enough if you can afford the gun you can afford the parts. Pretty much in line with a M1 Garand.

    So all things considered, why would I pay a price similar to or exceeding what I can buy a GI US Government Contract for? I do have a few M1 Carbines and a few M1 Garands but if I were for any reason to add another Carbine I would stay with actual GI flavors before going with the commercial versions.

    Just My Take
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  11. CoalTrain49

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    I agree.

    If you know how to evaluate a barrel and check the head space. If you don't, you will have to have a gunsmith check it. A gun with a barrel ME of 3 generally isn't going to shoot worth a darn. If the head space is too little you run the risk of a gun firing out of battery, too much and cases can rupture. You don't want to deal with these problems after you buy a gun. A new gun will assure you that you haven't paid someone $800 for a problem.

    I buy the surplus guns and rebuild them. Anyone can learn to evaluate a carbine and rebuild it if necessary. The parts are everywhere. Some people just want to take them out of the box and shoot them.
     
  12. ulflyer

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    K-Bob, that G-Q mag marking is for the Quality Hardware carbine.
     
  13. amd6547

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    CMP has carbines in limited numbers in both stores right now.
     
  14. CoalTrain49

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    I see you are in Ohio. Have you seen them there? The website and their forum has no mention of carbines other than they don't have any. Info would be appreciated. Thanks.
     
  15. kBob

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    re: 15 round G-Q magazine. I went on a collector's site or three earlier this evening and found that my G-Q has a type 5 base plate ( has a long depression on the base plate rather than flat). I was rather confused by some of the discriptions as the G-Q is larger than letters I have seen on some GI mags and appears a good inch up from the base plate rather than just above it. Also the best site described the letter codes as "sideways" with out explaining what that means and these letters appear "normal" when viewed with the magazine standing on its base, reading across the short length rather than up and down the long length. Oddest thing was when removing the cosmoline this evening I found two small bits of ancient cellophane tape stuck to the mag.

    Kind of neat digging through my magazines an seeing where they came from.

    -kBob
     
  16. CoalTrain49

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    Here's a link to the reference that I use.


    http://www.eqth.net/mirror/carbinemags/

    I've got a bunch for sale on the CMP forum.
     
  17. Ironicaintit

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    Hey Cooldill, I think you should get one! Either a new one that you dont have to worry about, or an old survivor that you dont mind not worrying about (as in, maybe beating it up)

    I love the M1 carbine. I have a really nice one built on a winchester (lots of mixed parts though) that I just love to shoot. Hit a 5" plate at 100 yards all day!

    My problem lies in whether or not I want to turn it into a truck gun. Throw a synthetic folding choate stock on it, use it for mobile defense, and not worry about it? Or keep it all oiled and purdy, safely locked up?
     
  18. amd6547

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    CMP has carbines in limited numbers in both stores right now.
    I see you are in Ohio. Have you seen them there? The website and their forum has no mention of carbines other than they don't have any. Info would be appreciated. Thanks.
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    It's only time and money.

    I have not been to North Store since I bought my inland there several years ago.
    However, there are a couple threads on the carbine section of the CMP forum.
    It is not on the CMP sales website.

    CMP is great. A couple years after I got my carbine, they had Norwegian copies of the US M4 bayonet. Then, they had 10pks of GI mags cheap.
    If only they would bring in a large quantity of GI ammo in the spam cans on strip clips.
    A man can dream.
     
  19. ol' scratch

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    I just picked up a 44' Inland for $800 at Camp Perry with a Winchester Stock and many Inland parts. Here is a thought. They were selling modern reparked models out there with new stocks for around $900. No doubt those will show up on Gunbroker. Given that they are freshly parked and of no real collector value, what about one of those for training? I would think they would run about the price of the new Inland and they have a little history. If you ding it up, you don't have to worry about it because it is a repark.
     
  20. ulflyer

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    What do you mean by "modern"? GI guns updated, or something else? If GI guns, reparked or not, they still are valuable, depending on overall condition, in that many of the CMP guns, and others, were reparked by the Military Arsenals during rebuild. The large majority of carbines went thru one of the Arsenals for refurbishing, although many did not need reparking. However, putting a non-GI stock does lower the value considerably. At any rate, finding a decent GI carbine these days under $900 is pure luck.
     
  21. ol' scratch

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    The CMP recently released two options. What I was calling the modern reparked versions were recently reparked by the CMP and put in new stocks. They wanted 900 a piece for them. The finish was a light grey. The older versions, while many were refinished, were done at a military installation several years ago and put in to storage. They had USGI stocks. The versions that were refinished years ago had time to pick up a patina from being stored in cosmoline for years. They ranged in color, but most I saw had that green gray color that causes surplus collectors to swoon.

    Sorry about that. I wasn't very clear.
     
  22. ulflyer

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    Thanks Scratch, now I understand. Old guys like me are slow to begin with! I was into Carbine collecting for awhile and bought and sold at one large gun show twice a year here in N.C. for several years. Built up a good rep and clientele. But then the prices kept going up and up till I couldn't find any at a reasonable price to sell. Last couple shows, the guns I had were in the $1000 or more range for good condition, tested carbines, but I found there were no takers at that price. I was paying up to $900, cleaning em up, replacing any parts that were suspect, and couldn't make a $100 on them....didn't pay for my table. So I stopped selling at shows and have done a little out of my house, but I don't advertise. Got two or three nice Inlands left but, again, they are priced high. One thing I am proud of is that all the guns I sold were with a "if something is wrong I'll make it right" deal, and I've yet to have a single one come back.
    Oh well, those were the good days. LOL.
     
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