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New Marlin 60 Shoots All Over the Place

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Swifty Morgan, Mar 9, 2018.

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  1. Odd Job

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    It's very puzzling if it is doing this with iron sights also.
     
  2. Swifty Morgan

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    It was somewhere in the area of 40-50 yards.

    The gun is on its way to Wisconsin, so I am trying not to think about it until I get it back.
     
  3. TTv2

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    I don't think Steve here is alone, I too have had issues with a newer Marlin .22 rifle. At 25 yards, with open sights, I was getting 4 inch groups. With a scope, 2 inch groups 50 yards, which is Marlin's baseline for accuracy for their .22 rifles.

    I think that Marlin .22's today are to be avoided. There's something wrong with the way the barrels are being made, Marlin doesn't know how to do Microgroove rifling anymore.

    And yes I used CCI Standard in it as well.

    EDIT: Saw that the OP ran a Boresnake through his and it worked out. Great for him, the grooves in mine look like tank tracks.
     
  4. Swifty Morgan

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    It didn't work out. I got a few shots that looked okay, but it was a random thing.
     
  5. splattergun

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    you haven't cleaned the whole gun yet? Including trigger group?
    A boresnake is fine for what it's supposed to do, but a new gun must be disassembled and cleaned. Period. I'll bet a dollar it needs cleaning, not fixing.
     
  6. Swifty Morgan

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    A dirty trigger can't make a gun shoot 10 MOA. There is something physically wrong with the gun.
     
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  7. Swifty Morgan

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    I contacted Marlin, and they surprised me by agreeing that their brand-new guns need to be cleaned completely. I've never seen a dirty new Glock, Smith & Wesson, Colt, or Remington, but I can't say I've bought so many guns that my experience means anything.

    I don't generally take new guns apart completely, but everyone who buys a new gun removes the magazine, field-strips it, and so on, just for the fun of looking at it, so obvious filth and debris would have been noticeable.

    It's not like the Marlin was encrusted with cosmoline. I think maybe one of my Eastern bloc guns came that way, but I can't remember.

    Marlin also said guns should be cleaned before every range trip. Yeah, that's going to happen. Not. I used to clean my guns every time I used them, and then I read up on it and decided I was overdoing it pretty severely.

    Funny thing: I have been advised never to clean air rifle barrels, but on the other hand, I have read an "expert's" advice, saying I need to clean mine often, very carefully, and to spray stuff in it to prevent rust. So I'm not confused at all! Not a bit.
     
  8. Carl N. Brown

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    I myself assume that any gun new in the box has been treated with preservative and should be cleaned thoroughly before firing.

    But stories about Remington made Model 60s having problems is sad. I have two JM Model 60s, my son has one, and I recently gave a thorough cleaning to a neglected mid-1960s production Model 60 that on test fire functioned 100% and I could keep all shots within the width of the front sight blade.
     
  9. Skylerbone

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    My standard text any time the subject of cleaning comes up and worth reading.
    http://www.ssvtexel.nl/index.cfm?act=files.download&ui=C5C9D865-2200-0A21-B5F5CF897974784F

    On a personal note, I probably have a few more rimfires than is typical and I clean them after every range trip. That’s a loop with Bore Shine run through, let sit a few minutes, nylon brush if fired extensively, pierce jag with dry patches till clean. Cleaning means each trip will require a dozen rounds or more to re-coat the barrel with wax from the bullets but I don’t mind.

    I’ve pushed out some horrendous messes over the years helping friends with rifles they’ve neglected and I refuse to believe a barrel filled with lead shavings (seen spirals an inch long on several) is more accurate than a clean barrel.
     
  10. Mayvik

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    You can scope a Nylon66...
     
  11. WiTom

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    I don't shoot my Model 60 much, anymore, but have always be pleased with it. I clean every new gun I buy, before taking it out, plus two boxes of ammo are run through it, and another cleaning, before sighting in. Just me, but that's works for me.
     
  12. Swifty Morgan

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    What's the secret? The flimsy receiver cover on mine made it impossible to hold a zero. I asked other people about it, and they said there was no solution.

     
  13. Mayvik

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    It is possible to scope, doesn't mean it is a match gun. A simple 4x15 is good enough for small game at 50 yards.
     
  14. Swifty Morgan

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    I couldn't get anywhere with it. Shots 4" apart at 50 yards, with no predictability. There is nothing smaller than a cow that I could ethically shoot with that kind of accuracy.
     
  15. Swifty Morgan

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    Marlin (Remington) called. They're giving me a new gun. Glad they realized it wasn't my imagination.
     
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    shouldnt use stingers in a marlin semi .22, ive had 2 of the plastic/nylon bolt buffers break on me relatively fast on new marlins. and that was just with CCI Mini Mags!
     
  17. Swifty Morgan

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    Bought this thing because people said it was a great gun and more accurate out of the box than a Ruger. In retrospect, the Ruger looks really good. But maybe if I bought one of those, Rugers would turn out to have problems.
     
  18. Charlie98

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    Glad Marlin is fixing you up. It's obvious there was something wrong...

    I have a Ruger 10/22... a very old 5-digit one... and it's a heck of a shooter. My big issue is the rotary mags... I have zero luck with the rotary mags, for whatever reason. I just wish my 60 had a better trigger...
     
  19. Ratshooter

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    Next time try cleaning your gun with real gun barrel cleaning brushes and patches. A bore snake is a poor excuse for a bore cleaner. And yes brand new guns need to be cleaned. I have 3 model 60's and they shoot like target rifles. Mine are the older JM stamped guns. Hope they get you fixed up.

    And don't beleive the bunk that you don't have to clean a 22. They shoot the dirtiest ammo of all and get shot many times more than other guns. They need to be cleaned. I clean mine after every shooting session even if I fire just 50 rounds. The burnt powder residue dries out and gets baked to the bore.
     
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  20. Swifty Morgan

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    The Marlin is jabbing at me from the grave.

    I picked up the replacement gun today. Because it had a new serial number, I had to endure a second background check. Because the store hadn't inventoried it yet, the computer didn't want to finish the background check. They had to do various things to get me out the door. I guess I was there about half an hour.

    I've never sold a firearm, except for a Glock I unloaded on a buddy. I think I should dump this baby before I fire it.
     
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    Price?
     
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    I have always wanted to add a Marlin 60 to the gun locker but I'm reluctant to until I hear some better reports.
    kwg
     
  23. midland man

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    heck give them a chance it might be the best gun you ever have! I am soon gonna try one myself as I bought the marlin model 70pss and loved it so much I bought a second one!!
     
  24. Swifty Morgan

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    I decided to try it. I thought about how cheap gun buyers are, and I figured no one would give me more for a brand new gun than one that had 100 rounds shot through it ("Come on, man, as soon as it leaves the store, it's USED."), so I cleaned out the barrel and ran some rounds through it.

    The original gun was a total piece of crap. I have no idea what was wrong with it. Maybe some stoner on the production line forgot to rifle the barrel. Anyway, it wasn't even accurate by BB gun standards, and I mean that literally, as a person who used to kill songbirds from 50 feet with a BB gun. The replacement gun is much nicer. I'll attach a target.

    I threw an old Bushnell rimfire scope on it, propped it up my left hand on top of the steering wheel of my golf cart, and shot Golden Bullets from 22 long paces, whatever that may be. "Rabbit distance" is how I looked at it. The big string of shots in the middle is me cranking the knobs on the scope to zero it. I forget what I was thinking when I fired the two lowest shots. The other two big holes are 10-round groups. I think the one on the left is Mini-Mags, but I don't recall for sure.

    Given the circumstances, this seems like fine accuracy to me. The trigger is still heinous and arguably criminal, but now I can at least feel comfortable spending money on an upgrade.

    The stock on this gun is nicely figured for the price. I did not expect that.
     

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  25. midland man

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    hey that's great I am looking at buyin a marlin 60 in the stainless at Walmart for $40 more than the blued model so is yours as I forgot is it stainless or blued??
     
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