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New model from Glock, the 37 is real.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by .., Feb 13, 2003.

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  1. ..

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  2. Schuey2002

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    It looks like they are going to create a new ".45 short" type round to use in this new gun...

    sounds intriguing..:)
     
  3. C. H. Luke

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    Probably just another Hoax from that .com.......

    Glock chose the .45 ACP for their dinky and "whippy" 36,
    so it doesn't follow that they'ed risk designing their next pistol
    for a cartridge no other mfg. makes? Especially with the long de-bug they had with their 36 mags, etc.
    There's no logic there for a shortened .45 anyway.
    I'd buy a P/T size glock in .45 ACP in a minute but Hoaxes are just
    Hoaxes...................
     
  4. MrAcheson

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    Its chambered in .45 glock (.45 short) built on the G22 (full size .40) frame. The magazine holds 10 rounds.

    Reaction: This is better than a .40 S&W how? .40 already has equivalent energy/momentum (assuming .45acp ballistics) and greater mag capacity in comparison.

    Some of the glockers are talking like this is going to be a mini .45 super round, but for that glock would have to beef up their frame again. Plus glock's history with high pressure rounds like the .40 is not exactly sunny and bright thanks to chamber support.

    Some folks are talking like this will be the answer to .40 accuracy problems, but its built on the .40 frame. The reason .40 accuracy is always worse than 9mm is that it stresses the frame more. I see no reason to believe that .45 glock will not do the same.

    Might catch on, might not. I don't think they're scratching an itch like .40 and to some extent .357 Sig have done. For now I'm betting not if the AWB is not renewed and mag capacities go back up.
     
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    If it comes with spent shell casings and I'm not from the People's Republic of Maryland, they won't get me to buy it!!! :mad:
     
  6. 10-Ring

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    hmm...45 short? Why do I need a 200 grn bullet going 800fps? or +p 925fsp? Someones got some esplainin' to do! :scrutiny:
     
  7. Sox

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    Yeah Glock has lost his mind with this stunt. It's as if he is asleep at the wheel. Everyone is cryin for a singlestack fullsize. So, he gives them another G22 "G37". Everyone was so overly concerned with only having 8 rounds if it was a single stack. The 1911 gang is fine with 8. Who is going to produce this round initially? I am way over the Glock craze, especially with HK coming to town now, and the responsiveness of Springfield and the XD.
     
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    it's no hoax, the member that posted this is a well known stand up guy that is at shot. it's for real. i remember hearing the rumor about glock making a proprietary round but i never would have guessed it.

    i'm kinda pissed. i waited and waited for a single stack .45 to get this crap?! hell, even if it shoots and acts like a .45acp it'll be forever till prices come down and availabillity goes up. remember the 9mm/.40 craze?
     
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    Sounds like a marketing flop unless Glock can still afford to almost give away Glocks to unsure departmental orders.

    The market of the 45 has always been folks that like short fat rounds with lots of punch. Glock will have a very tough time with this one. The recall that's not a recall has also tarnished the company's name. Not to mention the anger over Januzzo's comments.
     
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    .45 Glock? You gotta be kidding me. I don't see a place in the market for a .45 short.
     
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    Bad idea. The 45acp already lacks velocity, maybe that's why I have my 10mm's. :D
     
  13. 10-Ring

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    I just got off the phone w/ Skunk. The more I think about it, it's like Glock has Homer J. Simpson working marketing & R&D.
    Let's see in the last few months, they've given us:
    1. Frame rail "recall"
    2. PR nightmare w/ 60 minutes & bullet casing database
    3. The 45 short...er...Glock

    D'oh! :scrutiny: Anyone up for some laurel sitting?:neener:
     
  14. BerettaNut92

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    Hey, it's better than Lisa Simpson running S&W :D
     
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    A .45 kurz? :confused:
    Will it come with mortar-sights for shooting beyond 50'? :D
     
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    Well I am glad that Glock has gone even farther partially suicidal.:D

    This has to be the most stupid "innovation" to come down the pike since the magna-ring.

    The 10mm was a legitimate attempt to bridge the perceived performance gap between the hi-cap 9mm and the harder hitting .45ACP. The 10mm being too stout for the faint of heart eventually became the .40S&W, sold alongside the 10mm.

    The .357SIG seems more gimmicky, a necked down .40 that to my mind really only serves to mimic 9mm +p+ to claim ".357 mag from an autoloader!!!" A solution to a non-existent problem, but clever marketing.

    Now we have the .45G. It is available in exactly one pistol. It has two published performance stats of 200gr at 970fps and 185gr at just shy of 1100 fps, IIRC.

    The question is what does it add? You get bad ammo availabilty in a package the size of a Commander, gain two or three rounds, depending on what the 1911 shooter prefers to use for a magazine, at the expense of increased grip girth from a semi staggered magazine. In a Commander, one can shoot 230gr or 200gr+p or 185gr+p or 165gr P'werBall. Oh, and if the mag ban dies, a dedicated attempt to meet the arbitrary 10+1 limit of today will look stupid, especially if the common folk can once again carry full house .357SIG, .40s and 10mms and have equivalent ballistics with generally higher capacity or smaller platforms.

    .45 ACP is expensive to shoot premium factory ammo from and I am certain that .45ACP drives a goodly portion of the ammo reloading industry. The availablity of .45ACP brass is next to limitless, making reloading cheap. Even if the .45G only needs case trimming of existing brass to be reloaded, most people will not want to make the effort and it will take years to develop any sizeable pool of once fired brass.

    I predict a lingering death for the G37 and any offspring, especially given Januzzo's brilliance on the eve of the SHOT show.:scrutiny:
     
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    Useless cartridge-- regardless of Glock's latest tomfoolery
     
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    I pray for a small thin single stack 8 round 9mm Glock on the order of a KAHR K9. Now that would sell like hotcakes. Sort of like a G19 on a diet.
     
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    Lots of countries don't let their populace own weapons chambered in "military" calibers. It might sell very well in those locations. After all, just because we in the US can't have a .380 Glock didn't stop Glock from marketing it in other places.
     
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    BALLISTICS

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    So 45GLOCK will exceed .45ACP ballistics, in a smaller package. Sounds like a "win" to me.

    Now I want a BHP that shoots it. Or it in the mid-size Glock. (#19/23/32).

    -z
     
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    Lemme tell ya, if that's what you call exceeding .45 ballistics! That is a typical +P load .45 - similar to the old speer "flying ashtray" if I recall. They are just put'em in the coffin one at a time. If I were Glock I wouldn't be goofin around tryin to put my magnificent name on a stupid bullet. That's o.k. though, cause Springfield will make the XD's we want!! No offense meant, I am just way disappointed in this recent "unveiling"
     
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    Okay, okay, good point. That ain't hardly `ceedin' .45ACP ballistics. It well-nigh equivalent, though.

    A 200gr .45ACP has approximately the same sectional density as 124gr 9mm, or about a 155gr .40SW/10mm.

    I think this is a really neat idea: .45 has great terminal ballistics, and many people complain that double-stack .45's are too big for their hands. Ok, I admit it- I have stubby little fingers. There's no way I can comfortable shoot a Glock 29, 30, or even 36. (I can manage a 1911, though.)

    I'll reserve judgement until more is known about this round, price, brass availability, pressure limits, etc, but I think it's good that someone is trying new things with pistol cartridges and shooting platforms. You can't jam a .45ACP into a 9mm case, but this is probably as close as you'll get..

    -z
     
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    Those are interesting ballistics, I may end up with one of those. :D
     
  24. trapshooter

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    This is 'hot'?

    I can reload to match the above 185 and beat the 200 load out of published data. And I could beat that buying off the shelf stuff, in some cases. Maybe not with a Gold Dot, true. But Speer isn't the only company out there. Why would I buy another gun to do what I already can? This is a really stupid idea. Why am I not surprised it's coming from glock (defection).

    The only comment in it's favor that I have seen is the prohibition in some countries on 'military' rounds. Other than that, see the prior paragraph.

    Downcheck.
     
  25. jimmy

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    Shucks, I'm still waiting for Glock to produce a .38 Super model. Call it the Glock 38. I expect to be waiting a long, long time. :scrutiny:
     
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