New Orleans Admits to SAF Attorneys They Have Seized Guns

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  1. swampsniper

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    To: National and State Desks

    Contact: Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation, 425-454-7012, Web: http://www.saf.org

    BELLEVUE, Wash., March 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In a stunning reversal, the City of New Orleans revealed today to attorneys representing the Second Amendment Foundation and National Rifle Association that they do have a stockpile of firearms seized from private citizens in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

    The disclosure came as attorneys for both sides were preparing for a hearing in federal court on a motion filed earlier by SAF and NRA to hold the city in contempt. Plaintiffs' attorneys traveled to a location within the New Orleans city limits where they viewed more than 1,000 firearms that were being stored

    http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=62434
     
  2. AZRickD

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    The last half of the press release:
     
  3. Kim

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    Take it to the USSC. Sue for violation of 2nd amendment rights. Maybe this could get their attention and the 2nd amendment incorporated. Oh I'm dreaming.:(
     
  4. Don't Tread On Me

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    HA!

    Where's that person on here who was whining and crying that the confiscations were small "here and there" incidents. That "we're blowing it out of proportion." 1,000 firearms doesn't seem like an ISOLATED incident to me. Gotta love the apologists...

    Bottom line (like I've said b4), this ENDS the debate/question of whether or not authorities will carry out a confiscation order. 1,000 firearms confiscated takes quite a bit of work. I doubt they all came from 15 individuals. That's an aweful lot of arms to seize in such a short window of opportunity they had before the media caught on. It took some man power to get it done.

    Also, imagine how many guns have "disappeared"...if the "gubmint" says there's 1,000 firearms, who knows how many of them have been moved, hidden, stolen (again), or taken as personal trophies by the JBT's themselves.

    As a rule of thumb (from historical accounts and other evidence) whatever the JBT's claim, double or triple it.
     
  5. Robert Hairless

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    Mayor C. Ray Nagin is a disgrace to the city of New Orleans and to this country. I will not contribute another penny to New Orleans relief or rebuilding efforts so long as Nagin is the city's mayor. That man is an incompetent and a liar, and any city that maintains him in office deserves whatever it gets. What a pity: New Orleans was one of my favorite places.
     
  6. Ramius

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    +1

    Relief efforts, like public schools, welfare, and any other tax funded project you'd care to name, aren't suffering from lack of funds, they are being corrupted by them.

    It's time to stop being mugged at our own expense...

    Kinda like in the movie "Brazil" where the guy gets billed for his own 'interogation'....
     
  7. beerslurpy

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    I said it during the Katrina debacle and I'll say it again.

    The people there were victimized that we might learn from their example and be prepared when our time comes. I would bet 90 percent of the confiscations were only possible because people trusted their government and didnt avoid them or fight back.

    Reagan was right when he said "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. "
     
  8. Jim March

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    So when are the felony perjury charges being filed again?

    Sigh...
     
  9. Standing Wolf

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    In other news today, New Orleans reluctantly admitted the sun rises in the east, the sky is blue, and...
     
  10. beerslurpy

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    Actually yeah, when people lie in court, isnt that usually perjury?

    Or were these lies told outside of court and in court they simply relied on silence and non-compliance? That would be my bet.

    In either case, it is good that these pricks are finally being brought to account for what they did. Hopefully some political careers will be ended at the very least.

    This is only semi-related, but Chief Compass needs to serve hard time for all the stuff he stole and the property he damaged robbing that cadillac dealership during the hurricane.
     
  11. swampsniper

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    I wonder if they even have a list of who they robbed. Someone must have realized that there are too many witnesses to shut them all up. Otherwise they would just dig a hole and keep on lieing!
     
  12. engineer151515

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    Prediction:

    Not one - not one single confiscated firearm - will ever be returned to their rightful owner.

    Even when the City looses the lawsuit, each and every one of these firearms will be ground up for scrap because records were not kept.


    Say bye-bye. Very sad. Conceal, conceal, conceal.
     
  13. mr.trooper

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  14. Zen21Tao

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    That is only if it is a Republican with a less than precise memory.

    I would love to see Nagin charged with some type of rights violations but it would ultimately be blamed on Bush's bigotry towards blacks. :eek:
     
  15. The Freeholder

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    FREAKIN' EXCUSE ME?!

    They ought to be forced to find the owners and politely return their guns, along with a heartfelt apology. "recover their guns" my Aunt Fanny.
     
  16. hugh damright

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    I see no need to federalize the RKBA over this. The Louisiana Constitution says that "the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged". So why not sue for violation of the Louisiana Constitution rather than the US Constitution, especially when the Second doesn't limit the States anyway?
     
  17. Helmetcase

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    The 14th Amendment isn't "federalizing" anything. The problem we have with the second amendment is that it hasn't been granted the due process protections by the SCOTUS that apply to the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and other amendments. As such states are free to say "the 2A restricts the feds, but states can write their own laws", and so states can ignore the 2A essentially. LA was able to grab guns...MD is allowed to deny everyone CCW...etc.

    We now have a SCOTUS that should recognize the 2A via the 14A...maybe it's time such a case got to the Supremes.
     
  18. tom barthel

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    NO gun seizures

    Some laws beg to be ignored. Some types of oppression begs to be resisted. Even unto death. I have less respect for the officers doing the seizures than for the officers who deserted to look after their own families. Weren't some people hanged in Germany after WW2 who were just following orders?
    It is indeed sad our government only recognizes violent demonstrators. Where is the protest here? The citizens of NO really need to wake up and vote. Any nation with free elections DESERVES the government they elect. Still, I would have hidden some weapons. If I felt the need to protect my life, I would. They don't jail dead people. No wonder a large percentage of that city's population refuses to return there.
     
  19. hugh damright

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    If the US had a stockpile of confiscated weapons, I would call that a Second Amendment issue. But I understand it to be the City of New Orleans that confiscated the weapons, so I think it makes a lot more sense to look to the Louisiana Bill of Rights, Article Eleven, which says:

    The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.

    If a person had his guns confiscated by the City of New Orleans, and he sued them for violating his rights, would his better defense be the Eleventh Article or would it be the US Second Amendment?

    I'm thinking that, even if the Supreme Court of Louisiana didn't close the issue, and it was appealed to the SCOTUS, which defense would be better: (1) The Eleventh Article of the Louisiana Bill of Rights says that the right of each Citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, or (2) seek to have an activist SCOTUS use the 14th "Amendment" to incorporate i.e. federalize the Second Amendment, retroactively, and then find the City of New Orleans guilty of breaking a federal law that didn't even exist until the SCOTUS pulled it out of their ... 14th "Amendment"?:banghead:
     
  20. Henry Bowman

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    Wrong.


    However you are absolutely correct in your legal strategery.
     
  21. Logistics

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    Don't Tread On Me

    >>>As a rule of thumb (from historical accounts and other evidence) whatever the JBT's claim, double or triple it.<<<


    Bingo!

    +1
     
  22. Sistema1927

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    Wow, it is even more widespread than I imagined.

    I went into New Orleans one afternoon last September (as part of my DR duties). I made sure that my Kahr PM9 was in my pocket, and an M1 carbine was sitting between the front seats of the van. There was no way that I was going to travel into that city without these weapons, and it baffles me that anyone, much less a police olfficer, would think that this type of personal protection wasn't warranted in that situation.

    Every single Law Enforcement officer who confiscated weapons from otherwise law abiding citizens in New Orleans should be fired, immediately. With over 1,000 weapons seized, there ought to be a whole lot of dismissals.
     
  23. TheEgg

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    This incident should reaffirm:

    1) Governments lie and are not to be trusted. Even our own.

    2.) Most police officers will 'just follow their orders' no matter what those orders are.
     
  24. Fred Fuller

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    It was famously said by one writer oft quoted here that "The first one is expensive, the rest are free." In this case, the first one was free- the next one ought to be awfully expensive.

    lpl/nc
     
  25. Baba Louie

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    I wonder if anyone's Civil Rights were violated during this "taking"?
     
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