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New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms (merged w/ "You're all gonna love this one")

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Jake, Sep 8, 2005.

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  1. The Real Hawkeye

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    Because that would make way too much sense. You have to remember that we are dealing with government here. Government, at best, is a necessary evil. Therefore the founders made an effort to keep it tied up in the chains of the Constitution so that it only had authority to do a few things, i.e., things mostly having nothing to do with the daily lives, liberties and properties of the people. This was a good plan, but it only lasted till the middle 19th Century. That part of the Union which wished to preserve political liberty attempted to secede from that part which didn't wish to, and the latter folks won. So much for government by the consent of the governed, and so much for strictly limited government. That's why.
     
  2. RealGun

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    GOA.com has an automated process for that.

    You also have senate.gov and house.gov
     
  3. M-Rex

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    Letters going out today to:

    Congressman John Doolittle :)

    Senator Barbara Boxer :barf:
    Senator Diane Fienstien :barf:

    NRA (I hope they do something...anything.)
    ACLU (Strange bedfellows, indeed.)

    President George Bush :eek:

    For Heaven's sake, I hope they listen. I've been doing a lot of thinking since this story broke, and I'm deeply concerned. This is the watershed moment. Either the American people are going to choose to be free citizens or they are going to choose to be subjects.
     
  4. longeyes

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    Most Americans made that choice long ago. We're talking about the "saving remnant" now.

    So long as the D.C. brigade has The Big Checkbook (and Big Printing Press) under their control they can buy the souls of most anyone except the hard-core, noble-souled, and divinely insane.
     
  5. alpineman

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    I don't understand why there are some of you sending letters to the ACLU. They don't view the 2nd Amendment as applying to you, as a citizen. You're wasting your time with them. They're "neutral" on the issue. :barf:
     
  6. M-Rex

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    As far as the 2nd amendment, the ACLU is useless. However, I'm hoping they'll attack the 4th amendment violations, and the 5th amendment 'deprived of life, liberty, or property' violations.
     
  7. outofbattery

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    They had better disarm Blackwater et al and every single LEO who is down there spending vacation time to moonlight as a sewer ninja.
     
  8. Shane333

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    I'll be preparing some letters today. Any templates created by other THR members will be appreciated.

    I'm so upset, I just don't know what to say. :fire:
     
  9. oldfart

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    Everyone is familiar with the way gorillas beat their chests in an attempt to intimidate each other. Juveniles do it when interacting with other juveniles, but when an old silverback shows up, they go back to picking fleas and eating leaves.

    When the Weavers were under siege at Ruby Ridge the internet was still in its infancy but there were still rumbles of protest from right-wing groups and individuals… but little more.

    When the Branch Davidians were under siege at Waco the rumblings began again… and died.

    When the Forest Service flexed its muscles at Jarbridge Creek, the rumbling became louder and eventually showed itself as the engines of cars and trucks showing up from all over the country… and the Forest Service backed down.

    Again, when the government decided a trash fish was more valuable than farms around Klamath Falls people showed up and faced down the faceless bureaus.

    Each time the internet was abuzz with recrimination, threats and bumper-sticker slogans. But only in the last two instances were those slogans given the muscle to make the government blink.

    Like the rest of you, I didn’t go to Ruby Ridge or Waco because … Well, just because. I didn’t go to Jarbridge because there were already plenty of people there. At least, that’s what I told myself. But when they turned off the water in Klamath Falls I put an SKS and three bandoliers of ammo in the car and drove down there. To my eternal joy, the rifle wasn’t needed nor was it even taken out of the car, but at least I was ready to back up my words if I had to.

    Now this forum and several others are carrying stories about how the City of New Orleans is violating the rights of citizens by forcibly disarming them… and the chest-beating has begun. “From my cold, dead hands” isn’t a threat any more, your hands are already dead… too much keyboard time, I guess. Or maybe rigor mortis has spread from the butts that you have firmly planted in front of the TV. Whatever. You guys are all talk and no action. Thank God the men of Lexington and Concord weren’t like you. Go back to your fleas and leaves.
     
  10. Sindawe

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    Cameras as well?

    Over on Craiglist:
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    Reply to: see below
    Date: 2005-09-07, 2:02PM PDT


    I was born in New Orleans.
    I now live in Daly City.
    My family evacuated to relative's homes in Oklahoma.
    My father just called...he is in our old neighborhood...where he still lives,
    or maybe I should say lived...

    He called to tell me that a Federal Agent just confiscated his camcorder
    and escorted him out of the neighborhood. He isn't sure what is going on.....
    except this...

    FEMA and other Federal Agents are starting to remove anyone with a camera
    or camcorder. My father saw at least six people who had their cameras
    confiscated.

    I am leaving tonight to go to New Orleans with a videographer.
    We, as families of the people in the storm's path, ask all
    documentarians, all professional photographers, all amateur
    and professional journalists to report to duty in New Orleans and
    throughout the storm ravaged areas.
    Don't let Bush stop the documentation of this tragedy. This monumental
    failure by the Bush Administration.

    We need witnesses. We need documentation. We need to see, hear
    and understand the truth about this STORM and the response or
    lack of response to this disastor.
    no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests


    96042255

    Source: http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/pol/96042255.html
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    I can not vouch for the authenticity of the above post, but it would fit with the events down in NOLA.
     
  11. Molon Labe

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    We need to send a time machine to April 19, 1775, and bring back some militiamen. At least we know they would have the courage to do something about this.
     
  12. Werewolf

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    Ya think...

    Visualize a flock of sheep milling aimlessly around bleating, not knowing what to do as their friendly sheep dogs turn on them...

    They scatter, losing what little protection they had as a group and one by one are taken down and dragged off.

    The scattered flock of individual sheep then becomes prey not only for the sheep dogs that turned against them but every wolf, lion and bear out there too.

    Soon their numbers decline and the remaining sheep figure it's better to be preyed upon by just one predator that they know than many that they don't.

    They return to the pasture where the sheep dogs and their shepherd is and offer up one of themselves a day to the sheep dogs if the sheep dogs promise to protect them from the wolves, and bears and lions out there.

    Sounds like a good deal to the sheep dogs (who'll no longer actually have to work to get their daily meal of mutton) and they tell the shepherd that the sheep are back and the deal they made.

    The shepherd says to the sheep dogs, don't risk yourselves taking on lions, bears and wolves to protect the sheep - they're much less valuable than you - BUT never forget - your main purpose is to protect me from the lions, bears and wolves and any sheep that might forget their place.
     
  13. WT

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    FWIW, I saw an interview with that 4 star puke who is posing as a New Orleans police chief. He said that they will not fine people nor put them in jail for refusing to evacuate.


    "We must decontaminate you. Men on the right, women and children on the left. This way to the showers, bitte."
     
  14. Borachon

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    Well well well. How the wheel does turn. All you ultra prepared survivalists from the other day who were advocating the shooting of looters for stealing food would now find yourself in the same place.

    You would be a criminal.

    How would you like it?

    In fact, before this is over, I'm sure the authorities will have all the "plague ridden, anti-government, psychologically maladjusted holdouts" lump right in the same category as GUNOWNER. Far worse than those simple looters who needed food. These HOLDOUTS are DELIBERATELY trying to start trouble. They weren't the accidental victims of a hurricane....they are CHOOSING to cause this situation and risk the spreading of plague, and disease, and drugs, and smoking, and cannibalism, and tearing the labels off those mattresses...and hangnails....and chronic itching....and bad breath...etc.

    I firmly believe this view will be the one expressed.

    How many of you living in California can imagine that earthquake now? Or along the New Madrid Fault? What are they going to take from you when it's your turn?
     
  15. Borachon

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    That's because pictures of crematoria ovens stacked full of homeowners who elected to stay wouldn't look good on the evening news.
     
  16. twency

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    There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution which permits suspension of the 2nd Ammendment. As for the "states' rights" red herring, see the middle of Article VI: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

    As well as the aforementioned Ammendment XIV, Section 1:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
     
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  17. cropcirclewalker

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    I went to bed last night thinking about this string.

    Hizzoner screwed up by not providing the means for the people that did want to evacuate. He no more believed that the levees would break anymore than did the foolish unprepared residents.

    Those that did evacuate, with their firearms, are being kept from returning. Those types will not remain displaced long, before they start new lives. Somewhere else.

    Those that lived on high ground or were prepared and remained are the very bedrock of a city. Now he is forcibly removing them and they are leaving their homes to a fate unknown.

    So he is screwing up now too.

    He has just Kilt NO. He is pulling the curtains.

    Regardless whether you think NO should be rebuilt or not, it will never be rebuilt unless the citizens return and Hizzoner is doing everything in his power to keep that from happening.

    The welfare types are going to find themselves in nice new accomodations in Houston or wherever. Why return to the mid pit?

    The bedrock citizens will have learned their lesson and since they were forcibly removed and their property forfeited, why should they return (except for the law suits)? I know personally from my own perspective, I will never be going to Mardi Gras.

    The city has been kilt.

    Who is left to reelect Hizzoner?

    The ultimate irony.......Nobody left to reelect him. :)
     
  18. cuchulainn

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    For me, this mess is bringing a completely new meaning to these words:

    Good morning America how are you?
    Don't you know me I'm your native son,
    I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
    I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.


    :(
     
  19. R.H. Lee

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    WHY after so many YEARS of unconstitutional actions by government is this so important? Oh yeah, the 2nd is supposed to be a 'doomsday' provision.

    Maybe doomsday already came and went.

    And keep in mind that GWB has been kind enough to train these NG on disarming civilian populations in Iraq. They'll be ready to go for the next Democrat president.
     
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    Shane333: Here is the text of the letters I've sent off my my five elected officals (Pres, VP, two Senators and one Rep). Not full of eloquent, flowery speech, just to the point.

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    Dear elected official,

    I am writing you on this lovely Colorado morning to express to you my extreme disappointment and disgust at the events currently taking place in New Orleans, LA. I have learned about; and seen news footage; of U.S. National Guard troops going house to house in undamaged, unflooded areas of New Orleans and confiscating the legally held weapons of law abiding citizens. The people who’ve had their weapons taken have not been arrested or charged with any crime, and have been permitted to remain in their homes once they have been deprived of their means of defending that home from looters and other criminals.

    As an American citizen, I call upon you to take a stand, speak out against, and do what ever is necessary to put an end to this blatant violation of due process and constitutionally protected rights of the people of New Orleans. This kind of gross indecency is what one would expect to see in war movies about Nazi Germany or the former Soviet Union, not the United States of America.

    Respectfully,

    +++++++++++++++
     
  22. NineseveN

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    Oh wow, I mean, this is bad folks, like, this is real bad. how come I feel like I am watching a lab experiment here?
     
  23. WT

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    Guns Found in New Orleans Homes

    DON BABWIN, Associated Press Writer


    NEW ORLEANS - Soldiers and police confiscated guns from homeowners as they went house to house, trying to clear the shattered city of holdouts because of the danger of disease and fire.

    As many as 10,000 people were believed to be stubbornly staying put in the city, despite Katrina's filthy, corpse-strewn floodwaters and orders from Mayor Ray Nagin earlier this week to leave or be removed by force.

    Police are "not going to do that until we absolutely have to. We really don't want to do that at all," Deputy Chief Warren Riley said.

    Some residents said they left under extreme pressure.

    "They were all insisting that I had to leave my home," said Shelia Dalferes, who said she had 15 minutes to pack before she and her husband were evacuated. "The implication was there with their plastic handcuffs on their belt. Who wants to go out like that?"

    Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Jason Rule said his crew pulled 18 people from their homes Thursday.

    Police and soldiers also seized numerous guns for fear of confrontations with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters.

    "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said.

    On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being let go.
     
  24. RavenVT100

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    Didn't Governor Blanco offer to host the NRA's next convention after the whole Columbus, OH debacle?

    You think that's going to happen now?

    It had better not.
     
  25. Rich K

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    I am absolutely disgusted by what is going on in NO.The mayor,governor,chief of police?,and their toadies are running roughshod over the people,and violating the Constitution at will.Letters have been sent,to the white house,as well as my "representatives",both email and snail mail.But I'm stocking up more ammo,just in case.These bastards ought to be hanged from a high tree with a short rope. :fire:
     
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