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New Orleans getting back to normal...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Sportcat, Jun 17, 2006.

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  1. Sportcat

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/17/neworleans.shooting.ap/index.html

    Five teens die in New Orleans shootout, police say
    Police captain: 'Somebody wanted them dead'


    NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Five people ranging in age from 16 to 19 were killed in a street shooting early Saturday, the most violent crime reported in this slowly repopulating city since Hurricane Katrina hit last August.

    All were believed to have been gunned down while inside a sport utility vehicle that was found rammed against a utility pole in the Central City neighborhood just outside the central business district.

    Authorities said they were looking for one or more suspects but did not elaborate.

    Capt. John Bryson said police think the shootings were either drug-related or some type of retaliation attack.

    "I think the motivation we're looking at is pretty obvious," he said. "Somebody wanted them dead."

    Bryson said he could not remember the last time this many people were killed in once incident -- before or after Katrina. "I can't remember five," he said.

    Four of the victims -- a 16-year-old, a 17-year-old and two 19-year-olds -- died at the scene.

    Another 19-year-old, believed to be the brother of the youngest victim, died later at a hospital, police said.

    There was no immediate word if any of the victims had been armed. Their identities were not immediately released.
     
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    Capt. John Bryson said police think the shootings were either drug-related or some type of retaliation attack.

    "I think the motivation we're looking at is pretty obvious," he said. "Somebody wanted them dead."


    With that level of penetrating insight and intelligence, he'll be chief within a year.
     
  3. telomerase

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    Drug Prohibition kills a lot more people than hurricanes.
     
  4. Cosmoline

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    :D :D

    Actually, I think a real chief would find a way to blame firearms.
     
  5. thunder

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    Don't say New Orleans is "getting back to normal"... it's pretty hard for me to control my temper after reading something that ignorant.

    You apparently have NO idea what is going on there. After writing something that asinine I don't see how you could. I spent my spring break a matter of weeks ago doing relief work in New Orleans. I saw sights I didn't know were possibly in America, or anywhere. This is coming from a guy who has traveled war-torn countries (Bosnia for example). No words can describe what is going on there. Devastation is everywhere.

    I honestly don't know where to start to describe it. Drive down any road and your vision will be clouded by rubble piled on both sides of the street. Shrimp boats are docked on top of houses. Seeing a roof or shed in the middle of the road wasn't to uncommon. Many neighborhoods haven't even begun to be cleaned yet. While there, my group opened up a house for the first time since Katrina. It was indescribable.

    The owner of that house related how a boy down the street was very sick when Katrina hit. He needed an ambulance to be moved for evacuation. His mother called 9-1-1 and was promised an amublance was on the way to get them out. No ambulance could come. When clearing out houses, that mother was found dead hugging her son.

    Try to imagine what is going on there and how your post would make a New Orleans inhabitant feel. I take this very seriously, as I know many others on this board who have been in and out of New Orleans since Katrina do.
     
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    John Casey, quotes about Crime:

    The growth of drug-related crime is a far greater evil to society as a whole than drug taking. Even so, because we have been seduced by the idea that governments should legislate for our own good, very few people can see how dangerously absurd the present policy is.
     
  7. Car Knocker

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    thunder,

    Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that crime in New Orleans is rising towards pre-Katrina levels as its population returns.
     
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    Hi Thunder,

    Maybe if they used their "free Katrina money" for vests, instead of big screen TV's, sex change operations, and champagne at Hooters they would still be alive.:neener:

    Kevin
     
  9. hoji

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    Yeah,
    It is tough to conjure up sympathy for NO residents. They did CHOOSE to live below sea level.
    We got our fair share of the "refugees" in Austin. The crime rate increased dramaticly but there are no stats published yet, my info is coming from ancedotal reports from active duty LEOs.
    The tattoo shops did a booming buisness on the FEMA cards here, as did the bars, strip clubs, and outcall modeling services[ They even ran ads stating FEMA cards accepted}
    New Orleans was an armpit before Katrina. Best thing that could happen is to let the swamp have it back.
     
  10. Monkeyleg

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    Sounds like The High Road to me. :barf:
     
  11. Sportcat

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    thunder,

    As others have said, perhaps I should have phrased it: "Katrina crime-levels returning back to normal." I have no sympathy for those who live that life style of drugs and violence - no matter where they live and what they have been through.

    You are a much better man than I for going down there and helping to rebuild. I just hope that those you are helping to rebuild appreciate your hard work and try to make NO a better place than before.
     
  12. 22-rimfire

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    I do have sympathy for the residents of New Orleans and Southern Mississippi. I know or knew it would take years to rebuild, but from what has been said, things are not moving very fast. There should not be roofs in the middle of the street or debris in the middle of a street. The public works people should have that all cleared away long ago.

    New Orleans Crime? Every city has crime. I have no idea if crime is rising, but as the population returns, it is a reasonable assumption that crime will increase with the population. That is especially true of the less affluent folks where the crime rate tends to be highest generally.

    The recent report on Fox news that a lot of the construction and cleanup work that is being done in New Orleans is done by the illegal "immigrant". Where are all the good folks of New Orleans that needed jobs?

    Nothing is going to happen unless you make it happen.
     
  13. craig

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    thunder... i've seen destruction like that, though not as widespread. andrew 1992, south dade.

    the majority of people there in dade, actually got off their butts and cleaned up their own neighborhoods, and actually helped each other out instead of crying and whining for everything.

    now, there were some areas where the people were crying for help, but guess what?

    they were so lazy, they wouldn't even clean their own streets so people could help them out, and when help did arrive, most of the stuff was stolen/then sold for "other things".

    as far as i'm concerned, n.o. is full of idiots. they reelected nagin so they got exactly what they deserved.

    if that place got flattened it'd rank right up there with southern cal. falling off the continent, "no great loss."
     
  14. HankB

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    I guess the approximately $60,000,000,000 - $100,000,000,000 the rest of the nation has coughed up (so far!!) for NOLA ran out before dump trucks and front-end loaders could be hired.

    The money was spent . . . how? What is there to show for it?

    (BTW, Hooters said that if FEMA provides them with an address, they'll send a refund for the $200 bottle of champaign that was bought with one of their disaster debit cards.)
     
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    thunder, having spent a bit of time in NO pre-katrina, I'm inclined to agree with those who postulate that crime levels are getting back to 'normal'. I don't know if it's because of the displaced returning after graduate thuggery courses in Houston & Dallas, or whether it's junior thugs rising up to fill the vacuum, but NO was and is a very dangerous/corrupt place.

    Though I sort of appreciate your [misplaced?] compassion, and agree that there's plenty of tradgedy to go around, there's a permeating and pervasive entitlement/welfare/we be not responsible/laiseze bon temps rollez culture there. Case in point : FEMA cash cards. AS Leno pointed out, 'it's a good thing FEMA was so ioncompetant/late to the party, otherwise it might ahve been much worse . . ."

    God bless those who help themselves, God damn the parasites & opportunists.
     
  16. Larry Ashcraft

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    Not sure this is High Road material at all, but being new at this mod stuff, I'm just going to move it to L&P.

    Some good points made so far, BUT...

    Play nice. :scrutiny:
     
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    I have worked in N.O. and south La. for the past few months. My brother, sister and her husband lost there homes because of Katrina. I have met some of the greatest people there.

    That said, N.O. is a first class armpit. I have watched volunteers pick up trash and the residents watch them. There are many places there that looked like the storm just hit. Ivan's damage was a fraction of Katrina's and there is almost no effort in cleaning up. Pensacola had armies of trucks, people and equipment all over the place cleaning up after Ivan. People that werent insured are being bought out by the government.

    Ever since I was a kid, La. politics was crooked and N.O. was a nasty, crime ridden city. Today there's always a murder or a cop getting shot. Car accidents happen many times a day, traffic is terrible. They had a chance to turn it around but they are deciding not to.
     
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    There was a long article in TIME MAGAZINE, I believe the May 23 (?) issue, about this very subject: crime in New Orleans.

    Apparently just before Katrina hit, N.O. was experiencing the highest murder rate in the U.S. After Katrina hit, and the evacuation to other cities took place, crime dropped like a bullet (no pun intended :) ). But violent crime, including murders, increased substantially in the various cities where the refugees went, including the various gangstas from N.O. They immediately began practicing all the crimes they had done almost without attention in N.O.

    Now, as the gangstas are drifting back to N.O., as stated above, "things" are getting back to normal, as the gangstas are back in the business of drug dealing and killing. Nothing has changed: it was just put on hold for a few months.

    FWIW. L.W.
     
  19. S&W 910

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    You are all being unfair judging all of NO because of a few parasites

    Fema probably gave out aid to over 250,0000 people,they found maybe 2,000
    cases of wasteful spending and fraud

    Look at the fraud and wasteful spending in Iraq via halliburtan,i bet it adds up to more then the money that was spent fraudulently from FEMA

    As far as the good people not deserving to get money from the government after Katrina,thats bull as well

    NO was not destroyed by Katrina,it was destroyed when the government built levee system failed

    The people of NO paid taxes to the government for protection from disaster,the companies who use the port of new Orleans pays the highest port fees in the world for NO to be safe to do business

    when those levees failed,the government is partly to blame

    Louisiana has been begging for years for money to update the levee system,all they got was patch work money,and we seen the results.

    it would have cost 14 billion to completely redue the levee system

    the government said 14 billion was to much to protect a city with the history of new orleans and the countries most important port,but the same government says its ok to spend 500 billion destroying and rebuilding Iraq

    The irony
     
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    Fema probably gave out aid to over 250,0000 people,they found maybe 2,000
    cases of of wasteful spending and fraud


    Because these were the dumbest of the dumb. Most simply took cash out of an ATM and spent it.
     
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    And what about the responsibility of the Orleans Parish Levee Board?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9232666/site/newsweek/
     
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    Did the "government" cause this shooting to take place? I don't think so. I don't care how "corrupt" the government is, these parasites still took advantage of the system, and still are breaking the law.
     
  23. thunder

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    Stirred up quite a bit of conversation

    I see what you were trying to say Sportcat, I agree with your opinion as well. I think I was misreading you. I still believe in the statements made though (and hope you didn't take my post to harshly, I'm very blunt).

    NOLA is a crime invested place, I even was witness to a drug deal and plenty of prostitution (well, the clothed part) while spending an evening in the French Quarter. While my heart doesn't ache as much for those who NOLA might be famous for (thugs and such), meeting people who lived through such tragedy gives a face to Katrina. Seeing it on the news didn't make it real for me, being there did.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that these people are real. They have friends, families, and each an individual story about how Katrina killed their city. It will never be the same. It's easy to live in an air conditioned, electrical, and safe house while people live with absoutely nothing there. Some were good people, some were not.

    BTW, the devastation is just as I described it. I'm happy to post pictures of what I saw while down there, I just have to figure it out first.
     
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    As a former resident of both New Orleans and South Mississippi, let me say that the Louisiana local governments are corrupt beyond belief, especially in New Orleans. Most of the suffering that happened there was a result of their ineptitude.

    That said, most, if not all of the work to clean up down there is being done by outsiders. The locals take the FEMA checks, and won't work either because they don't have to, or because they're afraid the money will stop coming if they do. When I went home for Christmas the fast food places were offering signing bonuses and $12 an hour, and Wal*Mart couldn't get enough to employees to stay open after 10 PM. This was in an area that had its population literally double, by some estimates triple, after the storm.

    Now there's a lot of work still being done down there. In May I went back again and what did I see? A bunch of locals sitting around while Mexicans and contractors from all different plaes were building houses.

    And who is responsible for this? Sure, the people are, and the local governments too -- but this kind of corruption and laziness couldn't exist without the Federal government. It built and subsidized the slums and projects in New Orleans, made the people there rely on it, then when the **** hit the fan and the Feds couldn't save them, the people turned out to be just as helpless as we always knew they were. It makes me sick to think about it.

    Edit: and, here in Oxford, we recently had a drive-by shooting orchestrated by a pair of New Orleans "refugees."
     
  25. S&W 910

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    And what about the responsibility of the Orleans Parish Levee Board?


    There is plenty of blame to go around.

    The local leval did a pretty damn good job all these years maintaining a 40 year old underfunded levee system that was only designed to protect against a catagory 3 storm

    The system needs to rebuilt for todays catagory 5 storms,and a poverty striken city that cant properly fund its fire and police departments is not going to have 14 billion to spend on new levees


    as far as the shooting in no,i am in no way defending that scum,i would rather save money by having a bullet put in thier heads the minute they are proven guilty, then the costs of prison,appeals,and leathel injection

    all i am saying dont judge all the people of new orleans and surrounding areas by the scum that is put in the news.
     
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