New OSHA Rulemaking-Black & Smokeless Powder, Primers, Ammo

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  1. LAR-15

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    If your opposed please send in a comment
     
  2. Warren

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    I think this reg change is being pushed by some industry heavyweights in order to hurt their competition with the little guy BPers, reloaders and shooters being caught in the middle.

    Of course the author, Edwin G Foulke Jr, may be an anti and found a great way to help his industry friends and screw us over at the same time.

    Finding the document is easier if you use it's title "explosives" (minus quotes) in the catagory: document title in document search: optional step 4.
     
  3. alan

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    Unless I misread the part in original post, I noticed that paragraph (c)(2)(i) neglected to differentiate between explosives and propellants. Strange, isn't it?

    I followed the method your post described/linked and left my comment.

    ranger335v writes:

    alan: "One wonders as to who or what it is that winds OSHA up?"

    ALL gov. agencies want to grow larger, more people more chances of promotion and better retirements for themselves! Thus, it doesn't take much to wind them up.

    One of the "intellectual" concepts is that such agencies should be "pro-active", meaning they should dream up things that could happen instead of things likely happen or have happened, and make provisions to prevent them before they happen. That mindset opens some small doors very wide!

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    Funny thing about government agencies to have noticed. Did you happen to have seen JPFO's latest DVD dealing with, among other things, the development and history of what is nowadays called the BATFE, which mentioned the growth of agencies, and the road to promotions for employees thereof.
     
  4. happy7

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    I wonder if the NRA is aware of this and if they can do something about it.
     
  5. trickyasafox

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    submitted.
     
  6. BAT1

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    If they can't do away with the 2 nd, the corporate fascism will price you out of it. Just like they are after gun shops now, for not dotting an I or crossing a T.
    Only criminals, Dictators, and Communists fear armed citizens! They better.
     
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  8. EOD Guy

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    I have read the proposed rule and find very little that is not already in various regulations. The main purpose of this rule seem to be elimination of overlapping and conflicting regulations. The only new items I see are:

    Possibly requiring a CDL w/hazmat endorsement for on site movement by truck in large facilities.
    Limiting display of smokeless powder to 20 1 pound containers. That is just display, not what is allowed in the store.
    Limiting primer display to 10,000 primers. Again, more could be in storage, not on display.
    Requiring that employees be trained how to safely perform their jobs relating to handling the materials.

    I think that a lot of people (few of whom have actually read the proposed rule) are panicing without reason.

    If you object to any of the new standards, you are welcome to submit your objections to OSHA. That is what a public comment period is for. Please actually read the part you object to so that you can make a reasonable argument. I have seen significant changes made to final rules because of comments received from the public during the comment period.

    OSHA is specifically asking if small arms ammunition, primers and smokeless powder should be included in the regulation. That seems to be the main concern here. Reasonable arguments can be made to remove those provisions.

    By the way, smokeless powder, primers, and small arms ammunition have always been classed as explosive materials. DOT allows reclassification of ammunition and smokeless powder when shipped in smaller packages.
     
  9. gyp_c2

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    hmmm...

    ...seems to me, everytime we don't catch some stupid regulation before it gets adopted, and react...we get screwed...panic? How about healthy scepticism...What can it hurt to discuss and react with opinions, instead of wake-up to another set of regulations being placed on one of our freedoms...?
    Enough with the sky is falling and also enough of don't worry, it's nothing... rauch06.gif
    I say it's a good catch and time to act...
     
  10. Sistema1927

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    Hmmm, time to start stocking up on sulfur, saltpeter, and charcoal. Plenty of flinty rocks around. :eek:

    Even without these OSHA regulations being enacted, has anyone else noticed that it is virtually impossible to buy primers lately?
     
  11. EOD Guy

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    No, I've had no problem at all finding primers.
     
  12. Noxx

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    I'll have to beg to differ on that one. As an electrician, whenever some overpaid cubicle weasel suggests I do something inane, rather than telling them "you're an effing idiot", I can just say "sorry, OSHA regs."
     
  13. snuffy

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    I sure wish I could find the way to comment on those proposed regulations. Do they purposely make that web page confusing so you can't find your way through that tanged mess!:mad: Would somebody please wade through that mess, then once they're on the correct page, copy and past the URL here on this forum? Thanks;).
     
  14. NoHarmNoFAL

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    URGENT Possible bad news for all Shooters and Reloaders

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=9&t=592609&page=1

    http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71872

     
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    Did you notice the word "displayed"? that means they have to keep it in the back, a lot of shops I go to already do that.
     
  16. NoHarmNoFAL

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    Yes, I did but it also states that they can not be shipped via UPS, FedEx or DHL. too. I don't think I CC'ed that but it is in the link.
     
  17. baz

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    Yeah, I was going to mention that too. Plus, it looks to me that this is just a change in language to bring it into compliance with existing NFPA fire codes, which many states have adopted already. Of course, I don't know why we need so many regulations, but I don't think this is a change for the worse, just more of the same.

    I don't see where it discusses shipping by Fedex, UPS, or DHL.

    Also, I'm confused about the limitation to displaying in no more than 1lb containers, as there are 5/8lb containers on the shelf at my local Gander Mountain.
     
  18. Owens

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    Comment Submission

    1. Go to www.regulations.gov
    2. In the search criteria, use option 4, then enter document ID OSHA-2007-0032
    3. Click "submit"
    4. on results, right side, comments, click and comment away
     
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  19. NoHarmNoFAL

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    They are not listed specifically, it just says the explosives will have to be delivered via common carrier.
     
  20. SoCalShooter

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    That's for me to know and not you!
    How will this affect gun shows?

    Also why does the regulations website need so much of my information? Also does anyone know how to view the comments already made?

    Well after having read that long and boring document twice I have determined that it is going to greatly affect buying primers, powder etc at gunshows and off the internet and raise the price of these components.
     
  21. kingpin008

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    Already posted.
     
  22. NoHarmNoFAL

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    Sorry I didn't see it in here. This can be deleted then, no need for double posts.

    Can you provide me a link to the thread.
     
  23. Mal H

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    It's here: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=285452

    I'll merge the threads to save the responses instead of closing this one. (Of course the above link will now link to the thread you're viewing. :) )
     
  24. YK

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    Suggestions for posters

    If you want to submit a comment that's longer than 1-2 sentences over there, type it in a word processor, copy and paste.
    I just spent 20 minutes to type in an intelligent (at least, I thought it was an intelligent) response, and then the connection timed out. Will have to re-do tomorrow.
    There are very few responses, by the way, and some are with that freakin' "separatist" attitude like "I am against the changes, unless you exclude the black powder, than I am OK"-type of thing.
     
  25. snuffy

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    Okay, found it!:D
    http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main

    Lessee if this takes anybody to the comments page.

    Made a short comment on there, pointing out logical things, that I'm sure they already know. Whether it does any good, I dunno, but I feel better now!:scrutiny:

    Oh BTW, leave the ID off this, ID OSHA-2007-0032
     
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