New Production S&W “No Locks”

[wanderinwalker]

The 19 looks good, though the shape of the rear of the frame by the hammer still looks wrong compared to any of the older pre-lock guns I've had/have. At least it's a step in the right direction.

S&W just deprecated there “Lock” used gun market!

NICE 627 8 shot 9mm, used with Lock, here I come. Better be CHEAP too

Used ILS models have always been less desirable than the pre-lock versions, on models that existed before the lock was introduced. No matter what the MSRP may have tried to indicate with respect to pricing. For obvious reasons, models that were introduced after the lock don't see this effect. So unfortunately, you may be in for a wait on finding your cheap 8-shot 9mm 627!

(Using the Model 19 as an example, I foresee the collectible desirability going Combat Magnum > P&R Model 19 > 19-4 to whatever engineering change just predates the ILS > "new" Model 19 Classic > ILS Model 19 > previous Model 19 Classic with ILS.)

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Oh, my. https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-19-classic-no-internal-lock

Figure a street price of $850 after a couple months....thats actually competitive with vintage pre-lock guns.

Color me modestly interested, especially since the new 19s don't have the forcing-cone Achilles heel of the old guns.

 

[Mark_Mark]

The 19 looks good, though the shape of the rear of the frame by the hammer still looks wrong compared to any of the older pre-lock guns I've had/have. At least it's a step in the right direction.



Used ILS models have always been less desirable than the pre-lock versions, on models that existed before the lock was introduced. No matter what the MSRP may have tried to indicate with respect to pricing. For obvious reasons, models that were introduced after the lock don't see this effect. So unfortunately, you may be in for a wait on finding your cheap 8-shot 9mm 627!

(Using the Model 19 as an example, I foresee the collectible desirability going Combat Magnum > P&R Model 19 > 19-4 to whatever engineering change just predates the ILS > "new" Model 19 Classic > ILS Model 19 > previous Model 19 Classic with ILS.)

Old Smith are smoother than New Smith anyway

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Figure a street price of $850 after a couple months....thats actually competitive with vintage pre-lock guns.

Color me modestly interested, especially since the new 19s don't have the forcing-cone Achilles heel of the old guns.

No reason they couldn’t ream the Mdl 10’s cylinder to accept .357 Magnum and re-issue a Mdl 13

 

[Y-T71]

Old Smith are smoother than New Smith anyway

Definitely not true

 

[dickydalton]

This Old Smith 19 no dash is very smooth...

 

[d31tc]

It's like "New Coke" and "Old Coke". Get the people to hate the "New Coke", then bring back the "Old Coke" and rake in the $$$. Marketing genius. Their marketing department was just a little slow to react. I, for one, bow down to the marketing overlords - if/when I get a perceived "deal".

Now, after just buying a 686-6, I'm guessing the price of the "classic with internal lock", or "New Coke", is going to be falling now that "Old Coke" is back in the fridge. Future Overlord: "We are offering clearance pricing!" Me, in strained, halting speech and sounding eerily like William Shatner: "Must. Resist. Deal. "New Coke". Not. On. List.....Ahhhh!!!!"

 

[Mark_Mark]

Definitely not true

The fight between Old Smith vs NeW Smith will never end. Same with Old Colt bs. New Colt

 

[d31tc]

And they’re only $100 dollars more than the inflated prices on their other “Classics”.

Well, duh! It costs money to take a frame with a hole drilled in it and then have craftsmen fill it in.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Well, duh! It costs money to take a frame with a hole drilled in it and then have craftsmen fill it in.

JB Weld should work!

 

[d31tc]

JB Weld should work!

Performance Center would get an actual weld.

 

[CraigC]

S&W probably sells many more of the ILS equipped revolvers than without, despite the protestations of enthusiasts who post on gun boards.

Of course they do, it's all they make.

 

[Mark_Mark]

that New Model 36 Snub look interesting!

 

[dickydalton]

I had a nice flat latch Model 36. After I bought my Kimber K6S and K6Xs it went down the road fast. I love my Smiths but the Model 36 wasn't a favorite.

 

[red rick]

I have a pinned barrel 36 that was my dad’s .

 

[Mark_Mark]

I have a pinned barrel 36 that was my dad’s .

me too! mint 36 prelock!

 

[Mark_Mark]

I had a nice flat latch Model 36. After I bought my Kimber K6S and K6Xs it went down the road fast. I love my Smiths but the Model 36 wasn't a favorite.

I like the KS6! .357 power house in a snub size

 

[unclenunzie]

Of course they do, it's all they make.

I was thinking of the no lock models they already make and sell like the centennials. But of external hammer types, yes all ils until now.

 

[ECVMatt]

If they make a lockless 69 I'm done for! The 2.75" barrel is calling my name.

I am very pleased to see this move.

 

[stonebuster]

No reason they couldn’t ream the Mdl 10’s cylinder to accept .357 Magnum and re-issue a Mdl 13

That's a great idea AND in 3" would make me bite.

 

[CraigC]

I'll take a 4" fixed sight big bore N-frame with that half moon front sight.

 

[Old Dog]

Wondering why S&W didn't go with a ramped front sight on the new M 36.

I may consider a 4" Model 19. Even though all the M19s I own are P&R, We'll see.

 

[Mark_Mark]

They going to do a hammer firing pin again?

 

[Styx]

They going to do a hammer firing pin again?

I highly doubt that, and I don't blame them. I rather just have to buy and change a firing pin vs a whole new hammer. I think Rossi is the only modern revolver manufacturer that has the fitting pin on the hammer, but even their design allows for the pin to be replaced independently from the hammer.

 

[Styx]

This kind of has me wanting to sell off my two IL 686 and my 2.75" 69 before the market drops. If S&W releases K, L, and N frames without the IL, the prices and demand for the current offerings will drop by hundreds of dollars. Everyone will be trying to dump and replace there IL Smiths.