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new RAP 401 !

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by themic, May 15, 2003.

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  1. themic

    themic Member

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    Republic Arms, South Africa, RAP 401
    Action: DA/SA w/second strike capability; can also carry cocked/locked
    Caliber: 9mm
    Capacity: 8+1 (single-stack)

    This is the first 9mm handgun I've owned.

    Packaging: well done, healthy amount of grease throughout the firearm.

    Initial Impression: looks alot like a Sig P239. heavy. small. this one will be easy to conceal.

    Disassembly was downright easy. Glanced at the directions, and had it field stripped in a matter of seconds.

    Appearances: built solid, and it shows. the slide is tight, the bluing even, the etching is well done.

    All controls were easy to access one-handed, yet nothing was in the way.

    Feed Ramp: looks like a true professional polishing job.

    Grip: I liked the rough polymer grips that came on it. Family was all impressed with the Republic Arms logo, too.

    actually, it was hard to get my family to stop fondling the damned thing. my mom doesn't even like guns. wife really liked the trigger, was easy for her to reach, except the DA trigger pull was very hard for her.

    Initial Complaints: I hate it when "Read Instructions Before Handling" is etched into the metal. Not immediately obvious, but I know it's there.

    After cleaning and militecing it, I took it to the NRA HQ range last night. Only had 100 rounds of Winchester, but that was enough seeing as I was shooting my 1911 last night too.

    Sights: 3-dot whites. I like them.

    Trigger: not the cleanest trigger I've ever handled, but still pretty good. DA is a long hard pull, but smooth enough that I shot just as well (but much slower) as SA.

    Sight alignment is quick and natural.

    Recoil was easy to control. Very easy. Guess the 32 oz of steel comes in handy.

    DA groups and SA groups were probably 3" at 25', but I know there was a lot of shooter error in there.

    Fast shooting at 25', was about 5". Target reacquisition after recoil was very fast and easy.

    Shot about 2" low at 15', right on target at 25'. Again, this could be shooter error though. just was taking me a while to get used to a non-colt-commander handgun.

    BTW, guy next to me let me shoot his Kimber ultra-carry. very nice. possibly easier to control than my colt commander.

    oh, yeah, and the price?
    Bought this one new through the internet for $250, to include shipping, handling, and 4 magazines total. FFL transfer $22.

    Overall: I really really like it, and I felt myself get better without throughout the evening. It's solid and well built, attractive, fits my hands wonderfully, and sights/pointing were natural and quick.

    Now, I just need to find myself a holster. Anyone here have a RAP 401 with holster? Where'd you get it? I'm currently thinking I'm going to try it in a Sig P239 holster.

    Sorry, no pictures... no digital camera. Cruffler.com has some nice pictures, though. It looks the same as that.
     
  2. PCRCCW

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    Youve got a very very nice but not very well known gun. They are a South African made Astra 75 Clone....with a better safety and sights. The Astra mags will work if you can find them.

    The safety I love...just like the Taurus PT series and HK...Cond 1, Decocker and hammer down safety...if you are that "safety minded" :rolleyes:

    The machining is absolutely perfect inside and out...I compared a 440 (40 S&W version) to my K 40 Kahr's marks internally...the Kahr is one of the better made guns out there...mine was immaculate. The RAP was actually nicer on the inside.....love it. :what:

    Ive yet to shoot one....but Id love to get one. The only other temptations in the same price range are the Arcus 94 C compact (Hi Power clone), Star firestar and Daewoo D51c....which is absolutely tiny.

    You got a good gun....you may hear a bunch of trivial hooplah about it on this board...then again you may not. From the people I know who own/shoot/carry them....they are a "BEST BUY"!


    Well done...Shoot well
     
  3. Tropical Z

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    I am thoroughly convinced that the RAP's are as fine a handgun as any ever built.I loved my first 440 sssoooo much i went out and bought a spare! They are extremely well made and ive NEVER seen a handgun that was machined better.You did great on the price with that many mags! I just use a generic "Uncle Mikes" holster and it works fine.YOU WILL LOVE YOUR RAP!
    RAP's RRRRRUUULLLLEEEEE!!!!!!!
     
  4. Todd

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    So where did you get it and how much did you pay? I have seen them on the auction sites a little bit but who is actually selling them? I would love a 401.
     
  5. hksw

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    "The Astra mags will work if you can find them."

    Century Arms has cratefuls. (Click Consumer Online Store.)
     
  6. themic

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    PCRCCW: yeah the worksmanship on the internals just blew me away!

    Tropical Z: ah, so there IS a secret subculture of RAP fans! good to know :D thanks for the tip on the generic Uncle Mike's... may go down to Galyan's later and pick one up. also thinking of making an amateurish IWB leather holster - my friend's been dabbling in leather for sword sheaths and handles, and hopefully we may have a little project on our hands :cool:

    Todd: e-mail me and I'll give you the contact info.

    hksw: wow that's alot of em. good to know.
     
  7. BevrFevr

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    so how about a pic

    and maybe post the contact info.

    -bevr
     
  8. flashbackk

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    Great gun. I almost got one myself....do yourself a favor and put a drop of superglue on the dots of the sights. They tend to fall out......
     
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  11. themic

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    Thanks for posting the pic, arinvolvo

    I took a couple of shots on film, but I go out of town for a while and won't be able to develop them for a while

    flashbackk: thanks for the tip bout the superglue

    anyone:
    if you want to e-mail me I'll give you the contact info
    but i'm currently asking the dealer for permission to post his e-mail address on this forum... seemed like the polite thing to do


    ... went to a leather shop today, and got some supplpies. gonna try to make my own iwb holster! it'll probably be ugly, but it'll be MINE :D
     
  12. themic

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    someone asked me about thickness, so i thought i'd post this link up

    the firing line that has pictures comparing it to a Kahr:

    Old firing line thread on the RAP

    the comparison pics are linked about halfway down the page

    don't have measurements on me, but it's pretty thin, cause it's a single stack. the slide is about 1", possibly less. and the grips do flare out a bit from there

    but anyways these pictures are probably better than anything I could describe
     
  13. CZF

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    The RAP 401 is seeing limited use by the S. African Police Service.
    A pistol intended for Females and Detectives.

    Some people really like them, some hate them with a passion.

    The major complaint by everyone it seems. That the gun is too
    heavy. As heavy as a Z88 but only holds 8 rounds.

    Maybe a better choice for the money is a Tresitu TZ99??
     
  14. themic

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    CONTACT INFO

    Shawn Thayer
    crayzcanessports@aol.com

    he also sells them on auction arms for $209
    or you can talk to him directly (my recommendation)

    it comes with 2 mags, and $12.50 for each additional mag
     
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    my little brother just got a 401 to go with his 440 ... he swears by the little guns (he lives almost 1000 miles away so I haven't seen them in person yet).


    I'd say the RAPs are one of the absolute best deals in handguns right now (if you can find one).
     
  16. D.W. Drang

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    :what: Man, I thought someone had introduced Rocket Assisted Projectiles for pistolas... :evil:
     
  17. veloce851

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    My 2 cents

    I have recently acquired a 401 and absolutely love my 440.

    In all the talk and reviews I have found on these rather obscure firearms, the primary downfall of the RAP seems to be weight. They are just a tad too heavy for the discerning CCW carriers out there.

    But that is them. For me, the RAP 440 and the 401 are my 2nd and 3rd handguns respectively. My first being a Mauser M2.

    With these three firearms as my only basis for reference (with the exception of a single visit to the range with my brother's MK40 E98)
    I would have to say I welcome the slight increase in weight. I look at it like running with weights on your ankles.
    If my primary CCW is on the heavy side of all the others, then I should be fairly comfortable with any future additions.

    I'm no expert on firearms, far from it, however the people at RAP know what they are doing. And put out as fine a quality of product as Sig or Glock.
    Now keep in mind I state that only on appearence and quality of construction. I have no idea how its firing characteristis compare to said competitors. The simple fact is you can purchase a RAP for half to a third of the price of the others.

    I own the only handgun I'll ever need to own. Now the rest of the collection will be for fun. That's how happy and content the RAP has made me.
    (of course you all know that once I ACTUALLY have the opportunity to fire many of my "dream guns" I reserve the right to alter my opinion :) )
    just my 2cents
     
  18. BevrFevr

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    veloce851

    I know where opks is. Did you pick up your RAP locally and do they have more? Would you tell me what you paid?

    Oh Yeah, Welcome to The High Road, the best site on the net.

    -bevr
     
  19. veloce851

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    I purchased both of mine off of individuals via Gunbroker
    with shipping and $25 FFL transfer fee both of them averaged $250 but actual purchase price of them were $220 for the 440 with 2 holsters and 3 mags $206 for the 401 never fired 1mag.

    Thanks for the welcome.. I am however an old TFLer, just haven't been on forums in general lately.

    I think they can be bought in the $200-300 range as long as you find one for sale.
     
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    Anyone know if you can get breakable/expendable repair parts (like extractor, ejector) ?
     
  21. JackDRipper

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    Can someone post the dimensions of the RAP401? Thanks, JR
     
  22. BB93YJ

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    Convinced me, I emailed Shawn for information on getting one. Looks like a whale of a deal. :D
     
  23. Alerion

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    themic,

    I hope my old Firing Line thread was an influence in your getting a RAP. Mine has been great! I still think RAPs are the biggest bargain out there! Have a good time with yours.

    BTW, mine came from Shawn as well, (new for $199 at the time.)

    Tom
     
  24. Handy

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    I haven't had a chance to play with one, but I really support the basic design. This is a safer design for general carry duties than a Kahr or Glock.

    The Rap is also an excellent pistol for the single pistol owner. What you lose in weight, you gain in durability. The weapon is tough, safe and simple. It would be a good deal at twice the price.

    The only redesign I would favor is a companion full size and a lighter weight version, but still in steel.


    Instead of spending money on roughly made Keltecs or pricey Kahrs, here's value in a new, in production modern pistol.
     
  25. themic

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    Alerion,

    actually, your article was very helpful in convincing me to get one. The pictures comapring it to a Kahr were great, since I'd fired a Kahr before. I also loved the review on Cruffler.com.
     
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