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New RCBS primer pocket swager

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by NeuseRvrRat, Feb 6, 2012.

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  1. NeuseRvrRat

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    http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/category/reloading/

    sure, it's a rip-off of the dillon super swage and the price is the same, but it is a little more compact and seems a little more efficient (as in less movement). good thing is it'll probably go on sale from time to time at places like midway.

    anybody gonna jump on one when they're available?

    edit: actually, it looks like midway is advertising a price of $78.99, so it beats the dillon in price.
     
  2. codefour

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    I saw it at the 2012 SHOT show. The Dillon Super Swage looks like a better tool. I am a HUGE fan of RCBS products. I am not bashing RCBS. 80 percent of my bench is RCBS. I Love the Pro 2000!! But I think they may have missed the boat on this one just a bit. The over head arking angle of the Dillon seems more efficient and generally quicker. The Dillon comes with more attachments too. I mounted mine to a small piece of a 2X4 and just clamp it down to the bench when I need to use it.

    If I had to buy a new one today, I would get the Dillon.
     
  3. Steve in PA

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    Hmmm, interesting. I too love RCBS products, so I'll wait for some reviews and maybe think about picking one up.
     
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    I have the old RCBS pocket swager that fits in a press, but I found it's much quicker and easier to use my neck chamfering tool to remove the primer crimp.

    35W
     
  5. kingmt

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    I like my CH4D tool. These just look like a step down for more money. I think they took a simple job & made a tool to complex for it.
     
  6. GW Staar

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    The first thing I noticed is that both times Kent Sakamoto used the tool he had to slightly adjust the case presentation....I hope that was a prototype problem or an improperly setup tool. Other than that the tool seems to work excellently. The word "seems" is the key word.

    My experience with swagers (including Dillon's) is that they swage all right, but they don't always swage enough to slide a primer in as smoothly as a non-crimped piece of brass. Depends on the brass and the brass hardness. It's NOT good when loading progressively, if the flow is interrupted, or worse a primer gets mashed.

    What did I like? Well if you watch a Dillon video you will notice the really long reloading press-like stroke that requires real estate to the side of you in front of the bench. The RCBS product does the same thing with a short horizontal stroke towards the user, (about 120 degrees) and yet still, with little effort. (at least I didn't see Ken bracing on anything.:))Neat trick if it really removes the crimp.

    The tool is enough like Dillon's to make it obvious that the RCBS tool is probably as sensitive to web thickness as the Dillon. (requiring adjustment depending on brass brand and batch)

    I'll wait and see. Hope the tool adjustment was off....that's got to be aggravating for Ken. Heads may roll. ;)

    I'm a huge fan of good tools......some of my favorite ones do happen to be RCBS. I don't buy the ones that aren't....or if I do I don't keep them. This one has potential....

    Question? What "more" attachments are you referring too????
     
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    That looks like a good tool but I also think it looks like a rip-off of the Dillon Super-Swedge tool. If you're going to buy one why not buy the original and for less money no less. (I'm also a RCBS fan)
     
  8. GW Staar

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    Obviously RCBS isn't worried about copyright infringement. Either the patent's run out, they have a license from Dillon, or they have a different enough tool (and that's for the lawyers).

    As for price...reread the O.P.'s original post. While Dillon's suggested retail is pretty much what you are going to pay, minus a dollar or two if you're lucky, RCBS retail ($106).....isn't Midway's retail. $78.99.

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/319662/rcbs-bench-mounted-primer-pocket-swager
     
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    design patents are only good for 14 years and utility patents are good for 20 years. i searched through a lot of patents related to reloading and primer pocket swaging/reaming, but i wasn't able to find anything just like the Dillon Super Swage.

    i did look through several of Mr. Dillon's patents and got a good laugh out of this: http://www.google.com/patents?id=sqYrAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false
     
  10. kingmt

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    The silly bands made it why not.
     
  11. NeuseRvrRat

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    if nothing else, it's good to see a little more competition in the military crimp swaging market. i really like my dillon super swage, but i'd also like to try out this new rcbs model. i'll be waiting for the first reviews to come out.
     
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    And I quietly keep reaming primer pockets with my 30+ year old Lyman tool chucked in a battery drill and it keeps making pockets exactly the way I like them. Think I paid something like $10 for a case care kit that included the reamer.
     
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    i'm glad you found a tool that makes the pockets how you like them. swaging makes my pockets how i like them too.
     
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