New Russian assault rifle in testing

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  1. Slater

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    I knew the russians had something in the pipeline to replace / supplement the AK line. Can't remember why development was stalled. I think I saw it on some frontline special. There's gotta be someone out there who knows more about this then I.
     
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    A bit uglier than an AK to my eyes, but if it mitigates the recoil as advertised, could be a very nice design.
     
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    Man, it's hideous but I'd still buy one. I'm pretty impressed that they were able to keep most of the weight down while still having a second gas piston system. Also seems like a lot of work to solve what in my eyes is the small issue of recoil control. I suppose either way the system won't be of all that much use to us wee, little civilians who have no need for FA.... :banghead:
     
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    Looks like crap but it sounds like it has some pretty kick butt recoil tech going into it.
     
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    What happened to the Nikonov?
     
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    And the SKS makes a comeback as the SKS-2000. :neener:
     
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    Russia can't afford to buy new rifles. That's why the never fully adopted the AKs replacement.

    AN94, was it?
     
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    Geeze and I thought AUG's were ugly.... :rolleyes:

    It has more than 4 moving parts, that's too many for an Eastern conscript army to figure out how to maintain.

    Or more accurately it's too many for them to care about maintaining...
     
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    I want one, though the rate of fire as stated of 800-900 rounds a second would empty the mag rather quick. And they say it is NOT impossible to limit the burst lenght..... for 30 rounds bursts anyway ;)
     
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    Russians cant afford the AN-94. As far as i know it was adopted (AN-94) but in limited numbers to elite forces. I think russian small arms are amazing...and they have better ideas as far as practicallity vs. us in the great old U.S. of A. that are spending ridiculose amounts of money on developing "smart" weapons that are just ahead of their time right now. We need to kidnap us some ruskies and them develope the next rifle for our boys to carry :neener:
     
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    Man, the Nikonov seemed like the ultimate traditional assault rifle. 2 round burst with the felt recoil of 1 shot. I read an article where David Fortier got to shoot one and he claimed it would put 2 shoots in the same hole at 100 yards. I kinda hoped to see more of them. :cuss:
     
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    the Nikonov seemed like the ultimate traditional assault rifle. 2 round burst with the felt recoil of 1 shot. I read an article where David Fortier got to shoot one and he claimed it would put 2 shoots in the same hole at 100 yards

    That seems a bit redundant and unproductive, I figure one would want a little bit of dispersion. Why have 2 shots in the same hole? I'd rather have the second shot land a bit off from where the first one landed.
     
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    Just what I was thinking, it looks like a cross between an SKS and an AK. :D
     
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    Hey I've got one of those!



    Wait, nevermind. I've got an SKS and an AK (or two). I guess they kinda blended together in my mind for a second. :rolleyes: It IS fugly, isn't it.
     
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    The first thing I thought when I saw it was "Man that looks Russian!" I wonder what would happen if these ideas were implemented here in the U.S. with better manufacturing. I mean imagine a CNC'd AK-47! I can already hear some guys saying that it would ruin a very reliable gun to tighten tolerences. However I still believe that just as the FAL is infinitely cooler when not adorned with stamp metal so too will the AK-47.
     
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    during the early 1950s there was an idea to develop a weapon which would have properties of both AK and SKS - an "automatic carbine" with barel about 50cm (20") long, with AK-type removable magazine and selective-fired. Both kalashnikov and Simonov submitted their designs (the first being the long-barreled Ak with modified receiver cover and short-stroke gas piston, the second actually being selective-fired SKS mod with detachable mag and pistol-gripped stock ;) ) There were several more designs but testing proved that AK was well enough and the longer barrel on infantry rifle is sort of redundant.
    Simonov later developed several more assult rifles, based on SKS, but all were inferior to AK in one way or another.
    For those curious enough, i probably can get some images.

    Back to AN-94 and AEK-971.
    The AN-94 was a rather questionable development, and while it is indeeed adopted, it is issued on very limited basis, and will not substitute the AK-74 in a foreseeable future.
    The AEK-971 is an interesting weapon which is still in development, including version in 7.62x39 (apparently marked as AEK-973)
    It is NOT adopted by Russian military but could be used by several LE agencies in Russia.

    For those curious enough about development of assault rifles in Russia, as well as in the rest of the world :cool:, i recommend the Assault Rifle book by yours truly and Anthony Williams.
     
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    I wish they had more pictures so I could tell if that safety is an improvement or not. Looks like it at first glance, though.
     
  19. Shane333

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    Interesting, very ugly yet very nice in full auto fire.

    The AN-94 is supposed to be very accurate, especially with two round bursts. The problem with the AN-94 is that it isn't even as ergonomic as an AK for most people :uhoh: , an it requires more effort to maintain. Of course, I'm only a desk-jocky armchair commando, so someone with personal experience may know better.

    The AEK971 may or may not succeed. Sure, it provides for more accurate sustained fire, but with its more complex gas system it will require a little more maintenance and will likely cost more to produce. I'm not sure it will be adopted as the standard small arm for infantry.

    However, and this is just my personal opinion, I see great potential for the AEK971 to serve as a sort of "squad automatic weapon". It would be wonderful for laying down accurate sustained fire. Just make sure the barrel is heavy enough to manage the high volume of fire, and provide RPK magazines for it. I can easily see one person in a Russian fire team using such a weapon. That way the Russian government wouldn't have to buy as many (keeping costs down), yet Russian infantry could still benefit from it's capabilities.

    Anyone agree? Would it make a good "squad automatic weapon"?
     
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    Hmm..... this is interesting, and it even takes AK magazines, that shows standard Soviet/Russian standardization. Good job Russkys!
     
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