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New shooter (sorta) looking for advice

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by zookrider, Jul 20, 2005.

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  1. zookrider

    zookrider Member

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    I'm finally moving out of this GFW state (Hawaii) and moving to Texas. When I get there I'll be purchasing some new (to me) guns. I'm a proficient shooter though I currently own no guns (I regularly qualify expert on both the M16 and M9.) Given about $750 to work with, I'm looking to aquire at least one pistol (for daily carry) and one rifle (for hunting). Reccomendations?
     
  2. Preacherman

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    Welcome to THR! Nice to have you on board.

    It's a bit difficult to make recommendations without knowing what you want the guns for. What will you wear to conceal the pistol - heavy clothing, or something light? Pocket carry, waist carry, etc.? As for hunting, what sort of hunting - type of game, likely range over which you'll be shooting, etc.? All of these factors make a big difference in what to get.

    Give us a bit more information, and I'm sure you'll get plenty of good suggestions. At least your military service has given you a good introduction to the basics.
     
  3. zookrider

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    More info

    Pistol - Typically I'm a jeans, tee shirt/golf shirt and cowboy boots kind of guy. Texas being Texas my clothing will be quite light most of the year but heavy in the winter. I've never carried on a daily basis so I'm not sure about belt/pocket, etc. though I'd guess belt since I don't see a pistol fitting in the pocket of my wranglers. I'm a big guy if that's a factor (6'3" 200+) with pretty big hands. Also, I have no affinity for 9mm.

    Rifle - I plan to hunt deer, mostly whitetail or mule.
     
  4. Standing Wolf

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    My best advice would be to find a range that rents pistols, and try some of everything. Nothing takes the place of hands on experience.
     
  5. neoncowboy

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    Right on!

    I left Maui for Georgia back in 12/04 after 14 years in Hawaii.

    I was in your shoes and wound up with several different 1911s, one of which I always carry (either commander or full size).

    Like the above poster said, shoot a bunch of different guns and buy the one you like best. Note though, don't skimp on a carry gun/system. Spend the money to get something reliable, accurate and lightweight along with an excellent holster. That's the only way you'll actually carry it.
     
  6. zookrider

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    Full size for daily carry

    I would think that a full size (5" barrel right?) would be cumbersome for daily carry. Is this not the case? What do you typically wear to afford good concealment? Does the weight become an issue?

    Also, I'd love to hear some opinions on brand differences (Kimber vs Spingfield vs Para, etc) I'm quite enamored with the 1911 though by no means limiting myself to that choice.

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  7. neoncowboy

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    The full size and the commander size conceal about the same. The only real difference is the slight bulge under my wallet (right butt pocket) produced by the muzzle of the full size gun. If sitting for long periods (like in the car or plane), the commander is more comfortable.

    I have several 1911s, the all steel ones are definitely heavier, but with a good belt I can carry comfortably all day without limping. The guns with the aluma/alloy frames are definitely lighter though.

    The concealability is excellent due to the thin, single-stack design. A good belt/holster pull the butt of the gun into the hollow of my back and it just disappears under a T-shirt or polo.

    I wear shorts in the summer, pants in the winter and am very fond of the Carharrt line of pants/shorts. They're sturdy enough to really be great gun pants. Obviously, I can't always wear them. When I need to dress better, pleated khakis seem to offer about the same concealment.

    As far as brands go, I have a couple of Kimbers and a couple of Springfield Armory. They all work well, but they all require a little tinkering here and there (they are 1911s after all). The commander size Kimber CDP Pro is my favorite carry gun.

    As far as rifles go, I have been lusting after that new Ruger frontier rifle. Short barrel, .308, scope way out on the barrel for eyes open target acquisition. I really want one! It looks like a perfect rifle for taking whitetail or larger out to several hundred yards.
     
  8. TarpleyG

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    Well, given your budget, this is what I'd look for.

    Pistol (well, revolver actually) - S&W J frame - look for an Airweight like the 642. Great carry gun. Take a look here for oter comments. Price - <$300

    Rifle - Marlin .30-30 will work just fine for Texas deer. Price - <$400

    That'll leave a few bucks over for tax and maybe a little ammo.

    Greg
     
  9. HankB

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    Your budget and requirements make things a little tricky unless you choose off-brands, which are sort of a hit/miss proposition; for everyone who has a Taurus or Norinco that works 100% of the time - and there are some on this board - there's probably at least one person who's found the same make/model to be a lemon.

    A significant percentage of 1911s - IMHO, the percentage is well into double digits, particularly with the cheaper ones - need help from a competent gunsmith in order to get them working correctly. Lots of used 1911's are on the market because of reliability issues.

    As for specifics . . . .

    For deer hunting, just about the cheapest suitable rifle you can get is an SKS - with iron sights, you should be able to find one for under $200. If you're lucky, you *might* find a well-used .30/30 lever action for that . . . kick the rifle budget up to maybe $300, and milsurp bolt actions like the M48 Mauser (there are some very nice ones on the market) and SMLE come into the mix. All of these use easy to get ammo.

    This reduces the budget for a handgun to $450 or so . . . since you don't want a 9mm, at that price, you can certainly find a very good S&W K-frame .357 on the used market. With money left over for a good holster, speedloaders, etc.

    Be aware that if you try to save TOO much money on something cheap, the annoyance it gives you will last long after the savings are forgotten.
     
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    Welcome to THR! :)

    For advice, see my signature. :)
     
  11. mountain_cowboy

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    You can get a used Glock 21 or 30 (both .45 double stacks) that, off the shelf, will be far more reliable than any off the shelf 1911, while being comparable, maybe lighter, in weight. I love 1911's, but for beginning carry, you can't go wrong with a Glock, despite what all the haters say. I have several competition-worthy 1911's that are fantastic, utterly reliable (after some work), accurate pistols, but if I knew there'd be a firefight, I'd pick up my Glock 21 every time.

    That should leave you enough money to pick up a used Remington 700 or a new Savage Model 10, 110, 12, etc. in your choice of caliber (my all-around would be .308), either of which should shoot 1" groups and are endlessly customizable as you see fit, and can be worked on by you or any gunsmith in the country.
     
  12. zookrider

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    Doublestack? / Rifle caliber?

    Does the double stack decrease concealability of the Glock?

    also (and I might be opning a can of worms here) :evil:

    is there any good reason to consider a rifle caliber other than .308/30-30/30-06?
    (I'm not being a wise ass, I've been led to believe that for deer hunting they are the best, if that's not so I'd like to know.)
     
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    Many folks would be better off if they stuck to on of those 3.

    They can be, esp in the heat, but lots of us do/have done it.

    That's a tough one, brother. Better give me a few to think.

    David
     
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    On the hunting end of things get to know some of the guys who hunt Texas (or wherever you are going to hunt).

    The caliber you choose will depend on the game as you have noted and the terrain/area. Open range vs. thick brush will almost have a greater impact on caliber choice than the game. Open terrain you are going to want something that shoots flat and fast for longer shots, thick brush you will want something with more stopping power.

    I hunt open terrain for whitetails with a model 70 .243, this is a great caliber for that and varmit but questionably too small for muley's and definately so for Elk and Black Bear. Large Bear and Moose are the top of the line. For a do it all rifle that will give you years of service and you can pack to Colorado or Az. for that Elk hunt of a lifetime you should end up in the .30 range and then fashion it to the terrain heavy hitting bullet or fast. Hopefully you will find something and can include optics too.

    You can pick up a model 94 30/30 for a couple Hundred for the stopping power pack rifle or a remmy 700 in .270 for $350 for the distance shots giving you $400 for a handpiece and some optics, ammo, etc...
     
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    Is $750 your whole budget? Does that include scope for the rifle? Holster for the handgun? If not, you have some options. If so, you're looking at watching the classifieds for bargins and taking what you can get.

    David
     
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    Budget

    No, I have a seperate budget for accessories, $250 or so for optics, holster, and ammo. I thinks it's safe to say that if I spend more than $1000 on this initial investment they had better be some curvacious and cuddly guns because I'll be sleeping with them on the couch as opposed to in my bed with my wife. :D
     
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    Given the budget you've stated, I'd say that a revolver is your best bet for a carry gun.

    If you're stuck on an automatic, full size M1911 is actually easier to carry and more comfortable that a revolver. Check out http://paul.desertskyone.com/gunstuff.html for instructions on how to make my IWB for the M1911. This concealment holster is designed for comfortable carry of the M1911 even under a T-shirt. Making it yourself will save $$$.

    A .30-30 is a nice deer gun. You might look for a Savage in .30-06 -- they are well made, accurate rifles (if not so "pretty" as Winchesters and Remingtons.

    Another thing you can do is make friends with your local pawn dealer. Most will charge $10 to $25 to do the paperwork on a firearms transfer. Shop www.GunBroker.com or www.gunsamerica.com and you will often find some real bargains in guns.
     
  18. one-shot-one

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    sticking to your budget.....

    well maybe,
    for my $0.02 i'd go with:
    ruger sp101 .357 about $325
    leaving $425 for a decent bolt action and a budget scope in .308/.270/30-06 or what ever flavor you want. savage, howa and a few others should keep you in the ball park.
     
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    I'm not entirely sure if you can just move to Texas, just start purchasing guns, then go toting without first becoming a Texas citizen. Doesn't citizenship require that you live in the state for a minimum of one or two years? (establish a residency/also change drivers license). Fellas help me out on this one.
     
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    All I had to do in Georgia was have a local address. I think they used my driver's license as ID but I'm not sure if that was a requirement.

    I applied for my permit within 6 weeks of moving here and encountered no real hassle.
     
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    I'm already a legal Texas resident. When I was stationed at Ft Hood in the late '90s I changed my home of record and obtained a TX Drivers License which I have maintained ever since. Also, as an active duty military member, many of the rights of a state resident would be extended to me even if I weren't one.
     
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    You need to check the local law on this. Technically, all you have to do to be a citizen of a state is declare your intention of living there. The controlling case involved California, which had a law saying if you move to California, you can't get California welfare benefits until you've lived there a year. For that first year, you get only the welfare benefits you'd be entitled to in the state where you used to live.

    The Supreme Court struck that law down.

    Of course, the 2nd Amendment is only a civil right, mentioned in the Constitution, so it doesn't have the same protection as welfare "rights." :barf:
     
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    Zook,

    Stevens Model 200 265
    H&R Ultra Rifle 215
    NEF Handi Rifle 245

    Sightron S1 130 3-9x 40mm Plex Reticle Matte
    Burris Fullfield II 165 1.75-5x 20mm Plex Reticle Matte
    Weaver Classic V-Series 165 3-9x 38mm Dual-X Reticle Matte
    Leupold VX-1 180 2-7x 33mm Duplex Reticle Gloss
    Bushnell Elite 3200 190 2-7x 32mm Multi-X Reticle Matte
    Burris Fullfield II 190 3-9x 40mm Plex Reticle Matte

    Leupold 1" PRW Rings 35 (for NEF or H&R)
    or
    Leupold 2-Piece Base 20 (for Stevens 200)
    Leupold 1" Rings Gloss Low 20

    Bottom Line: $375-500
    Still need ammo, cleaning supplies, and case.

    The handgun is harder. A quality carry gun >9mm for $350 +/- is a tough one.

    There are some compact 40 S&W's made by Star, and can be found new in the $300-350 range. They are a good compromise between size and price, but I don't have personal experience with them. You can get a new Beretta 96 Compact for $350 from CDNN, but the Compact isn't really. You might find a used Kahr K40 for about $400. It's a near perfect carry gun, but will bust the budget. Used Springfield XD or P9 Compacts are under $400, as are used Glocks. Compact Baby Desert Eagles can be had new for uder $400.

    For the money it's hard to beat a used Ruger revolver. The SP-101 are available with 2" or 3" barrels. The old Ruger Six revolvers were offered in 357 with 2 3/4 barrels. There are dozens of models of J and K frame S&W revolvers out that fit the bill. Prices range from $225-425 with lots to choose from around $300.

    The handgun is the wildcard. I'd wait until after you shoot a few to get serious.

    A quality belt, holster and mag pouch will run about $125-150

    You will still need ammo, cleaning supplies, and a case (provided your gun doesn't come in one).


    David
     
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    Win or marlin 1894 in 30/30
    S&W 642
    That is a start


    Also look at the Savage combos for good basic bolt action and scope.
     
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