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New Sig P365 Failure

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Jackal, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. Jackal

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    Well, I purchased it new 2 days ago and just had my first chance to fire it. It failed. About 50rds in, the rear frame pin, the pin that hold all the innards in place, walked out. I pressed it back in and every 20 or so rounds fired, it walks back out again. 100rds, mix of Tula, Federal bulk, Winchester bulk, Winchester Silvertips and Federal 9bple all functioned 100%. However, the gun is useless in its current state. Looks like I'm gonna have to ship it back to Sig Monday. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Sig q/c has been abysmal of late. Pics for reference. There is absolutely nothing inside the pin hole that holds the pin in place, even though the pin appears to be grooved for some type of keeper.
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  2. Blue Feather

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    Very sad to hear. Sig was the pinnacle of quality in the late 1980’s and 1990’s. I made a mistake selling my West German P220 .45 ACP. Hoping for a speedy and full resolution.

    I view HK in the same light as the old Pre-New Hampshire Sig now. Expensive but worth it.
     
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  3. VoodooMountain

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    I have probably heard of more types of failures about this pistol than any other in recent memory including Remington's recent attempts.

    I really want this pistol to be a winner but so far everything I have seen and heard is disappointing.
     
  4. Jackal

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    I will give Sig 1 chance to fix it. If it doesn't come back fixed, I will demand a refund. A self defense pistol that disassembles itself in your hand while firing isnt a very useful tool. The gun was made in May, so its the newest ones shipping. The sad thing is, its an amazing little gun, when it doesnt fall apart.
     
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  5. Riomouse911

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    Wow, pathetic! Sig SAUER was the pinnacle, I carried a Robar-tuned and Np3 coated P-226 for years, and later on a P-228. Love those guns!

    As for their QC, there is NO reason why QC should stink in the firearms biz. I have no idea why companies think they can get away with crappy QC with firearms, there is too much riding on it to cut corners.

    Hopefully they will make it right!

    Good luck and stay safe!
     
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  6. Slamfire

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    I totally agree that self defense weapon should not self disassemble.

    I have been able to talk with people who work/worked at the Remington factory in Alabama. The production line is set up so the only real human involvement is for some low skill person (twenty somethings) to assemble a firearm, from the supplied parts, without requiring the assembler to make any adjustments. The assembler does not understand the function of the parts, the interaction nor the inter relationship of the parts. If the computer set up is a little off, the assembler does not have the means, or understanding, to fix the problems at the end of the production line.

    I am certain SIG is producing firearms according to the same philosophy.
     
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  7. Walkalong

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    My pin is machined a bit different, but more importantly, it also has a spring on the chassis to hold the pin in place. It snaps into the groove on the pin, which has one on both ends so you can insert it either direction. Maybe they forgot to install the spring to hold the pin.

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  8. Jackal

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    Well, I think we have found the issue. Mine does not have a spring. Seems like a pretty silly oversight in their effort to pump these out the door.
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  9. Riomouse911

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    Yup, looks like one was forgotten..maybe it was a Friday afternoon gun and the assembler was in a hurry to get outta there...
     
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  10. scaatylobo

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    Hope you get FAST resolution and a BIG apology .

    I have one that has a few hundred rounds through her of MANY different loads and no bobbles or problems at all.
     
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  11. Walkalong

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    No doubt.
    Indeed!
     
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    At least it has this going for it. :)
     
  13. Jackal

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    Haha yeah. It might be a great pistol once it quits trying to disassemble itself...:rofl: I wonder though, just how unsafe it is to have the internal block jump the frame if the pin falls out? Seems like something that could get someone hurt.
     
  14. RPZ

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    Can not say that all US made SIGs have been failures by a long shot - witness the 226/228. However, their US made rifles had some horrible QC issues that would have never occurred had they been actually Swiss made. My personal opinion is that with this pistol they had a good concept but have again suffered some kind of disconnect between design developement and actual production.
     
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    Well the good news is that perhaps you can avoid sending it in now if you just ask them to send you that clip
     
  16. Jackal

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    Very true. I'm going to request a spring. I just hope they will send me one. Might ask for some swag as well for my trouble ;).
     
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  17. Jim Watson

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    Lots of marginal guns sent out to let the paying customer and the warranty clerk complete the testing, but to sell one not even complete with all parts is a real clanger. Reminds me of the time Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn took the alarm clock apart. They got it back together but it would not run even though they only had three parts left over.
     
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  18. Blue Feather

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    I’d make Sig repair if. That way you’re covered if it fails again.
     
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    I hate to jump on the "paid beta tester" bandwagon, but I just won't think about buying this gun until reports improve.
     
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    I'm with you... going to sit this one out for awhile. Fortunately for me there also don't appear to be any available locally.
     
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    I actually got to handle one. I really like Sigs but a few things told me to wait. It'll all get hashed out, but not I my dollar.
     
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    Haven't handled one yet but did check out a Ruger Security 9. I was pleasantly surprised that it was a bit smaller than I thought, felt good ergonomically, and was priced very reasonably.
     
  23. Pat Riot

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    I had decided that I really wanted a Sig P365 for my first Sig Sauer pistol. I had settled on buying another Glock but decided to check out the P365. I went to Cabela’s and the salesman I spoke with told me to hold off mentioning QA issues and firing pin breaking issues.

    This really surprised me that Sig was having all these issues. I decided to skip it as I have been having lots of fun (sarcasm) dealing with my Remington R51. I don’t need two problem pistols in my life right now...or ever...
     
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  24. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Yep, the gun makers have got wise to what the car manufacturers have known for years: Being first to market with new, unreliable designs and features is more profitable than developing new tech to maturity before release.
    So what Grandpa told you is true of both cars and guns- never buy the first model year.

    I do hope they get this gun sorted out, but not on my dime. Same with the R51, I reeeeeeeeely wanted one to go with my vintage Model 51, and now that its issues are known/resolved I may grab one if the price is right- still not crazy about the plastic ball extractor "spring" but maybe I can reengineer that bit.

    As far as SIGs go, Pat, get yerself a good ol' German-made stamped slide P-series and you will know what all the fuss was about. Yes, they were and remain pricey, but the quality of the materials and workmanship will be worth it:
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  25. fastbolt

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    Sadly, it's not impossible for someone assembling the newer "parts-is-parts" guns in a production line to miss an itty bitty spring (or other small part) when assembling guns all day long (or all night, as some companies are running 24/7 production). I was once told by a gun company how someone assembling the "assemblies" used for production of their guns was being paid something like $10/hour.

    I'm NOT an armorer for the new P365 series (not even sure if one of our younger guys who wanted to be SIG armorers have even attended a class dealing with the 365, yet).

    If it were me, and I wasn't familiar with the gun and could inspect it to see if anything else might've been missed during production, I'd call SIG and arrange for them to send me a pre-paid shipping label, and I'd return the gun to them for repair under warranty, and also give it a thorough inspection.
     
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