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New Taiwan Army Tac-gear. Thoughts?

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  1. ugaarguy

    ugaarguy Moderator Staff Member

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    Indeed. I think we often lose sight of the fact that specialized gear is typically used for specific tasks. Barnbwt's comment about reflex sights not needing a cheek weld is also spot on. That attribute is nice across many applications though.
     
  2. Sam Cade

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    The stock is a U shape to clear the face shield so only 3 points of contact.

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    The Crye solution to this issue is a non-skid pad on the mandible of the mask/muttonchop

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    http://www.cryeprecision.com/P-ACCCF10000R/Stockpad™-For-Airframe™-Chops
     
  3. CWL

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    Nah, they're Army SF. Below is a close-up of their sleeve patch ASSC = Army Special Services Company. Also, their Squad Leader/unit commander (with the radio) is wearing Airborne wings on left shoulder tab. Also look at their "rigs", they're trained for air assault.

    These men may be used in drug & piracy interdiction, but their main defined roles are for securing & re-securing the many ports, airports and strategic locations within Taiwan from Chinese assault.

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  4. jaysouth

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    I see the ROC flag on the right shoulder. I am curious, why would army folks be using dated weapons that were not designed for the rigors of military service? I refer to the MACs. Are the shotguns semi-autos?

    How would you wear a helmet or gas mask with one of these? If involved in SWAT type action, the helmet could be moot, but a gas mask, never. What about eye protection that is universal and almost manditory these days?
     
  5. Sam Cade

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    Those aint exactly MACs per se. Those are M77s. Introduced in the mid 80s.
     
  6. max popenker

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    actually they are called T77:
     

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  7. CWL

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    Taiwan is in a very difficult position where they are blocked from buying military equipment by intense lobbying from China. As i have previously posted, getting other countries to sell anything that may have a military purpose is a process that could take decades. This forces them to oftentimes make do with what they already have or to "home brew" local solutions.
     
  8. PaulKersey3

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    OP here. I've been told by someone familiar with their service that their army includes a drug/terrorist interdiction force. The teams spotlighted here include quick response entry teams of these forces. As previous posters have stated their ability to procure weaponry is diminished given the region, and as a result we see the mixed bag of ordnance. On a side note, MACs Remingtons and MP5s are damn good for CQB/entry. The masks on the other hand do more for trick-or-treat intimidation than anything else. That said, on this Halloween night I'd rather paint my face like a skull and intimidate from behind a shield... While breathing and seeing.
     
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    When Gotham is in ashes....then you have my permission to die


    actually looks more like the guys from that "Army of Two" game

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  10. Trent

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    "New Taiwan tac gear, what do I think..."

    hmm..

    I think I still see plenty of areas where a high powered rifle is going to do a lot of damage. That's what I think.

    I also have to wonder about a hit near (but not in) the eye sockets. It would seem to me the curve of the mask is going to send fragments IN to the mask.

    Granted, a bit of jacket or lead in the eye from splatter is better than getting deep sixed in the medula oblongata by a hollowpoint.

    Interesting though, how we're seeing modern militaries (and in this case, police forces) getting so "armored up."

    Funny how the same people who were freaked out when a bunch of rednecks used to get together, dress up like Rambo, and call themselves militias, are now so blindly accepting of a highly militarized force right in our own towns, designed at the core to control large populations.

    Sure makes a guy think about what the future will entail, if things go bad.
     
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    Sure makes a guy think about what the future will entail, if things go bad.

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    Anyone wanna whistle the theme to the Andy Griffith show with me? ;). Dallas PD, BTW :eek:

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  12. MattShlock

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    You all don't see the whole picture, or even all of them...

    I LOVE those Taiwan guys!

    See who they are gonna be up against? Maybe you can apprciate it better -- Chinese infants from their first classes are trained that America and Taiwan are the enemies and they are the justified rulers of the world.

    http://www.tomatobubble.com/id373.html
     
  13. mr.trooper

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    Am I the only one who thinks a goofy hook shaped stock is LESS practical than a simple mask?
     
  14. Shoot66

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    Taiwanese Masks

    I have seen Taiwanese military spec ops units wear their masks on several occasions. The last time in late 2012 - a navy unit. I never touched one though, so can´t say much about it. Anyhow, I guess they are still in use.
     
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    I could see it for the door kicker on an entry team just encase he caught a shotgun blast to the face. However, for long term wear I think I would prefer to be able to breath as others have said.
     
  16. Torian

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    Agreed. In narrow and short-lived cirumstances, the mask might work. As shown here, you'd need a dedicated weapon system specificially designed to work with the mask. Thinking more along the lines of SWAT, FBI, HRT type stuff. For our work, wearing kit for 8-12 hours on a patrol in high temps, it would interfere with movement, breathing, sight picture, and just be generally too cumbersome. I personally tend to value having some mobility over protection.

    I think the bottom line here is if someone wants to shoot you in the face, you better duck and find some cover right quick :)
     
  17. barnbwt

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    Maybe they should put some slits over the mouth :D

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    Three guesses as to who the breacher is in that photo, LOL.

    German Politzei and Crew Served Weapons.
    I'd wager they have them. Back in the mid-Eighties I was stationed in West Berlin. The Berlin Politzei had crew-serves, AT rockets, and wheeled APCs. But back in those days, the W. Berlin PD was looked at as a fourth brigade by the allied Komandantura along with the US, British and French brigades stationed there at the time.
     
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    That's the idea with these get ups, "Urban warfare". The para-militarization of police forces has been an international development for some time. In the U.S. it accelerated after 9-11 and continues.

    These get ups are not designed for army to army combat but for putting down rebellions, riots, demonstrations, strikes etc.

    I recall that during the Clinton admin. he resurrected the North American Command in the military something which had not been in existence since the Civil War. He instructed the military to begin urban combat exercises in about half a dozen U.S. cities. Not about fighting off a foreign army or invading another country. The militarization of the police has continued under the Bush and Obama admins.

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  20. barnbwt

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    "Three guesses as to who the breacher is in that photo, LOL."
    OMG, I just noticed that one guy is about a foot taller :D :D. I don't think it's a photo-trick, either; his feet are further away than the others'! He must be the guy who makes it back :uhoh:

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  21. Silvanus

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    I've used both the MP5 and the MP7 with that kind of stock and they work really well. With helmet or without. And those Euro style ballistic helmets are relatively comfortable to wear and offer good protection against handguns. They've saved a lot of lives over the last few decades... I wouldn't knock something until you've tried it.
     
  22. Sam1911

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    How do you get a solid cheek or chin weld, or do you just sort of hover behind the gun?
     
  23. Potatohead

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    I like the "tactical" beer holder in HSO's link!
     
  24. Silvanus

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    You don't really... But I found my shooting results are not majorly affected by that. For short distance dynamic shooting like in room clearing, bus/train/aircraft assaults, ect. it works very good. It's a compromise I gladly make for the added protection you get. You don't use this kind of setup for a carbine shooting at increased distances.
     
  25. Torian

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    In an urban environment, in a LEO role, for up close and personal work, it looks like it would have some added-value to the mission.

    For any of the training or combat situations I've been in, it would be cumbersome, and interfere with the requirements of my position. Even my ballistic plate vest can be penetrated along certain seams or locations. I need mobility and the flexibility to adapt to a variety of conditions and threats in a combat environment. This mask offers an advantage within a decidedly narrow set of circumstances that we do not operate within.
     
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