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New technology lets police "frisk" from a distance (for guns)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by GuyWithQuestions, Jan 18, 2008.

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  1. GuyWithQuestions

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    Well then I guess we might as well push for universal open carry
     
  3. Claude Clay

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    lets just zap everyone with more 'rays' and technology till we finely do to our society the same as the romans 2 millennium ago did to theirs. no mistake about it , though, we are now doing it under the guise of safety ( and as they did: convince).:mad:
    the navies 'right' and 'need' for ELINT trumps the sea's mammals right to live.
    our governments 'right' and 'need' for (sic) intelligence trumps the individuals right not to have our bodies unknowingly and frequently exposed to various 'rays'.
    all this in the name of safety. sad, very sad.
     
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    Frisking for firearms using technology is going to cause a military revolt against the economic policies of our split empire, inspiring the Goths and Visigoths to sack New York City?
     
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    the romans employed 'new' technology to devastate their off spring. to wit: the constructed 'advanced' indoor plumbing for convince but made their pipes of lead. thus poisoning themselves, children & servants. kinda hard for a brain damaged society to make proper plans & decisions.

    re: scanning--do we know even now how much cancer is caused by waves-micro,x,radio,tv,airport scanners etc?? long term, we will find out. and if its a bad thing (likely), do we know how to reverse a damaged gene?
     
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    Actually lead piping would do little damage RE: ingestation of lead. Other threads here on THR have spoken at length about the various physical states of lead and how this relates to absorption. While lead poisoning did occur, it was more likely the practice of sweetening wine with dissolved lead, NOT "technology" that had an impact.

    The Romans also had "advanced" frequent bathing. Technology is not evil. Unless youre Ted Kaczynski.
     
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    Somehow I doubt this is going to happen, but hey, maybe the Goths and Visigoths would allow firearm possession!
     
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    If they used this at random wouldn't it be a violation of the fourth amendment?
     
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    Now THAT was a bellylaugh that I sorely needed today. Thanks!
     
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    I always figured the Vandals had already taken over NY city.
     
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    mgregg85, I suppose that depends on what is defined as 'unreasonable' in the eyes of the law...
     
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    Difference between Goths and Visigoths?

    The Visigoths had the NFL network in their cable package?

    I hope they aren't zoned out in front of the TV. We might need them. There isn't any power the government has assumed that it hasn't later abused in a large way....or given up even though they have abused it.
     
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    OF COURSE IT WILL BE ABUSED. Pay attention to what governments throughout history do with power and money. THEY ALWAYS ABUSE BOTH.
    Sorry for the caps lol.
    The framers of the constitution knew this. They saw it firsthand. This is why we have guns.
    I think a lot of the problems we are facing in this country today are because we have had milk and honey for so long that we don't recognize tyranny and oppression when we see it all around us. Well, soon it will go from being seen to smacking us in the head. Hopefully people won't wonder what just hit them at that point.
     
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    I was just going to point this out. The lead-lined aquaducts wouldn't contribute as much lead to the drinking water as one might think. Lead doesn't dissolve readily in just water, and the lead would soon be sealed with calcium, lime and other minerals from the water itself. FYI, copper is also poisonous to ingest, as I recall, but the minerals in our water seal our coper pipes from the inside.

    Romans would sweeten their wine with lead, boiling the lead with vinegar to dissolve trace amounts of it, and pouring the resulting sweet poison into their wine. The resulting brain damage was probably blamed on excessive drinking.

    Back to the original topic: I don't want any wavelength of radiation passed through my body in the name of "safety" I also don't see any use for the technology. Metal detectors already exist... this device would only be used to search people from a distance, and without their knowledge or consent. Wouldn't they need probable cause to do so?

    The police brass will probably push for this, saying it could be useful in a standoff sitution, to determine in the BG is really armed. However, I guarantee you the officers will completely ignore any "no gun" response the machine gives, and assume the guy claiming to be armed is armed, until they can confirm the machine's response the old-fashioned way. What's the point?
     
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    I guess it depends on how it's used.

    It said that it's waiting FCC approval right now and they're already making units in anticipation that it'll pass.

    If it's used to target random people walking down the streets, then that would be bad. A lot of people have valid concealed permits. Police don't randomly pull over cars and say "Just checking to make sure you have a driver's license." Instead, they ask for it if they pull you over for something else. That would get annoying and if they embarrass you in front of others, unnecessary, if they stop and question you just because they targeted you randomly and it said something. If it's a secured area like a courthouse or the secured area of an airport or locked down mental health facility, then I wouldn't have a problem. Any place that uses a metal detector wouldn't be a violation, on condition they have to let you know before hand and you should have the option of not going into the area if you don't want to be checked by the device. I guess the other situation would be if they're trying to apprehend a suspect. I can't see other situations, though. I don't know, that's just what I think.
     
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    Somehow I have this vision of a new "census" being run where they just sit there with this equipment and quietly take down names and faces. Then again maybe I just need a "tin foil beanie" today <grin>.

    I guess the thing that troubles me is that, used at random, this seems to me to be a violation of "secure in their persons". They may not be physically touching you but it's still a search.
     
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    kyllo v. united states already said that the could not use stuff like this at random. BUT here is an option, use it for TSA screening so it would be quicker and easier and no more belt buckles be treated as threats.
     
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    Now that is an inspiring thought :)
     
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    They keep popping me with their radar bursts and I'm going to get a little browned off. :fire:

    Between automatic door openers, radar guns, the new radar speed signs around schools, microwave towers, TV News trucks with their u-wave transmitter dishes, et cetera, I may start wearing a conductive hat after all.

    On a less serious note, you suppose they could fine-tune it to detect a Concealed Carry Badge along with the gun? :D
     
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    Concealed is no longer concealed. Er, if this actually works.
     
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    "Police don't randomly pull over cars and say "Just checking to make sure you have a driver's license." Instead, they ask for it if they pull you over for something."
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    The heck they don't! Where I live there are random roadblocks set up every Saturday night. The public tolerates it because these random license checks are marketed as "getting drunks off the road" but the police are really are "fishing" for violations. Mainly they are after DUI's as that is where the big money is but any violation like expired drivers license or a busted tail light means more money for the government. You must display a valid license to pass. Don't think that this new technology won't be misused in the name of public safety and for the children. There was a similar thread a few months back about a company that had developed an x-ray like device that could spot guns in passing vehicles. Even those in metal containers!
     
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    Actually they do. They are called checkpoints. Usually to "check" for seatbelts or DWI, but they cast a wide net.
     
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    Besides all the potential for abuses and imposing of tyranny, which is important think of the problems.
    What if you are carrying something else made of metal? Many polymer firearms like Glocks have little more metal than non firearm items.
    How many cell phones, batteries, change, and many other items will give false positives resulting in assumptions and abuses of that individuals rights?

    What about legal carry?

    Health concerns by exposing people to directional radiation? What happens when that is frequently done in many locations?

    Society is getting many tools in place and developed now that will enable tyranny to reign supreme in the future. The average person is not distrusting, and will not see it till after it is done. The founding fathers were wise men, it is a shame wisdom is so rare now.
     
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    Where do I donate? :D

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    There is no way for this technology to be used that isn't already abuse.

    If they walked down the street frisking everyone they came in contact with, that would be seen as CLEARLY unconstitutional.

    Shouldn't matter whether the frisking is done with hands or rays of energy.
     
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