Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by D.A.1, Feb 2, 2015.
Ahh, to be 20 years old and starting into guns and hunting. I hope you get to try a few dozen guns over the years. Lots of good suggestions here so I won't add mine. Just wish you good luck and hope, like me, you accumulate a lifetime of great memories. Have fun.
Possible change 1.... Still going off all the GREAT info I received, I thought about something..... "How often am I going to actually use this rifle?" I really only see myself using it on the upcoming hog hunt...and more of those if/when I get the chance, and to do some deer hunting, which in Maryland, is only a few counties...which breaks down to maybe once or twice during rifle season every year.
So, after that, I stated looking at getting something of quality, but not wanting to break the bank. I happen to come across, a Savage Arms Axis, in .308, for $379, and it comes with a Bushnell 3x9x40 scope. Is that a good price for a starter rifle, especially from Savage??
Here is another question... (told you I had a bunch of them) Do I need a rifle to hunt deer and/or hogs?
I know Savage makes a shotgun/slug gun... the 220 Model, that shoots 20 gauge sabot slugs and with the right ammo can reach out to 200-250 yds.
Would that type of slug gun be an option???
D.A.1, $379 for a .308 Savage Axis with Bushnell 3-9x40 scope is a fair price for an entry level rifle. However, the Savage 11/111 is a better quality rifle for not a whole lot more.
Just my opinion, but I'd stick with the rifle versus the slug gun. The reason is that you will have much more versatility with the rifle when you consider different bullet weights, different types of bullets, different muzzle velocities, etc. The Savage 20 gauge slug gun is a fine gun and highly accurate, but it was designed primarily for deer hunting in areas that are limited to shotguns (not centerfire rifles) by State law.
Ultimately it is your choice of course, but if it was me, I'd stick with a rifle in any of the calibers mentioned during the excellent posts in this thread.
One more thing, you can pretty well count on having to adjust the "eye relief" on any rifle you choose that comes with a scope mounted, regardless of the brand of rifle or the brand of the scope. This will have a pronounced affect on both accuracy and felt recoil. ArchAngelCD and many others on here can explain to you how to do this. I know how, but I'm not sure I can explain it to you without being unnecessarily wordy.
Only reason I brought up the slug gun, is because Maryland in about 80% shot gun hunting, I was thinking along the economics of this endeavor. The slug gun might have enough "rifle characteristics", that it would cover my needs.
Fishing is soooo much easier. Lol
I have both the axis and the 111... No hesitation, I'd pick the 111. Or in your case, the 11 (11 is short action, 111 is long). The biggest reasons are that you get the shorter action with the 11, where all Axis action are long, you get a standard format for stock swaps should you ever want to, better resale, lighter bolt lift, better stock out of the box, and just a slightly smoother action. Note, however, I did not mention accuracy or reliability... That will be the same on either. The 11 is just a nicer experience.
There are several things you lose going from THxp to Axis, namely, Accutrigger, Nikon scope, and short action. The long action bolt on the Axis is a cost saving measure designed to accommodate both long and short action (it's a slight functional impairment that some folks would be bothered by and others not). Many would agree the Bushnell is a step down from the Nikon, although the Bush would appear adequate. The lack of an adjustable Accutrigger on the Axis is most significant. Even if you find the stock trigger to be adequate, your accuracy will only improve with the Accutrigger. I believe both share the same flimsy stock.
As significant as the differences between the Axis and Trophy Hunter are, they are marginal when compairing them to a slug gun. Fit and feel beween a rifle and a slug gun are very different as is function. Take your time and do your home work.
No scope but a real quality rifle in my opinion.
im planning to ditch my xl7 for one in a few months
I have five scoped rifles. Only one wears a 3x9, and I wish it wore a 2x7. A lot of folks don't understand that 2.5x was a very common straight power scope that worked well before the bigger is better craze really got in to high gear. I'm sure some pretty long successful shots were made with them too. Back in the day I used to whack man sized targets with military iron sights pretty regularly @ 300 meters.
Don't over scope.
Problem with that is 80% of the state he hunts in is SG only.
When zeroing/sighting in a new rifle, is it ok to use different brands of ammo? Meaning, could I use a box of say $15.00 ammo to get the initial sighting/adjusting done, and then try grouping some shots with ammo I actually plan to hunt with, as long as the rounds are the same weight?
Just one more thing: There are many reasons why your particular rifle may or may not favor a particular cartridge. Don't make the assumption that expensive ammo will shoot better than the cheap stuff. You won't know for certain until you shoot it.
1. As I am a "new hunter", but have experience firing weapons, would having the "Accu-trigger" make much difference vs not having it? I mean, at this point, would I even notice the difference?
2. Does anyone have any info on either the Hornady Superformance SST or the Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silvertip bullets??
Yes and yes, if for no other reason than the Accutrigger is user adjustable. How much or how little difference it makes depends on the shooter. The Accutrigger is designed to have a crisp, clean release with minimal if any creep and an adjustable pull weight of 2.5 to 5lbs., very different from the single stage factory trigger found on the Sav Axis. Additionally, the Accutrigger is designed to reduce the chances of an accidental discharge. Savage introduced the Accutrigger in 2002. It has since revolutionized the rifle trigger industry and has been copied in one form or another by numerous other manufacturers. Lots of information on-line regarding the benefits of a well tuned trigger.
Again, thanks for all the great info!!! I picked up my rifle last Friday. I went with the Axis XP in .308. The main reason I went with this one is actually two-fold. First, as Savage seems to be a very popular firearm, everywhere I went didn't have any of the XP II or the 111 Trophy Hunter XP in stock, or if they did, it wasn't in 308. The places I looked at online, couldn't get one out to me in the time frame I needed to have it. Reason #2, I looked at this like I did when I started playing golf...... no sense going out spending a big chunk of cash until I was certain that I was actually going to keep at it....so, I went with a reliable starter package, and if I keep at it and get better, I can always upgrade.
That said, here are a few pics. I am going out on Wed to get sighted in and then head down to South Carolina early Friday morning to try and get one of those big hogs. Hopefully, I'll have some pics when I get back.
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